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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    I vote that we just kick the ever lovin' crap outta every team we face including those pansy ass 49'ers and those "cheeseheads" in the baby shit yellow pants from up north until we get to the SB. Then we rest for a week and kick the ass of some sniveling AFC dung bucket and take home a big old trophy.

    How's that for a simple approach?

    I like your approach to this season, soul! It's a real possibility that all of this could happen. I don't have a lot of respect for San Francisco or Detroit, though I think we might lose to the Niners simply because they are the best team in the NFC West and we'll be playing in San Francisco. That game will probably be low scoring because both the Bears and the Niners have excellent defenses. Where the Bears will have the advantage will be the passing game - frankly, Alex Smith is just a serviceable game manager who doesn't make a lot of big plays. The Bears are pretty good about stopping the run, and I think we can shut down the passing game if our pass rush is what we think it will be.

    If we lose to Detroit, it will be at Detroit, not in Chicago. I wouldn't be at all shocked if those two games are just absolute track meets up and down the field, and since Ford Field is an indoor facility with artificial turf, it will benefit Detroit as much as it will benefit the Bears. The Lions secondary is pathetic, so I see Jay Cutler having big days against the Lions in both games. The question is going to be whether or not we can contain Calvin Johnson and Brandon Pettigrew. They are going to get their yards because they are big targets who are fast and physical, plus we really don't have anyone other than Conte and Hardin in the secondary who can lineup and defend against Johnson in the situation where Matthew Stafford throws up a pop fly. I doubt we will see a game against the Lions like we saw at Soldier Field last year where we just absolutely kicked the dog shit out of them by the score of 37-13. Rather, the game will either go like the first game in which the score is something like 24-13, or you could see, again as I said before, a track meet where the team who has the ball last will win.

    The Packers will no doubt be our toughest challenge, but I think we will win the game against them in Chicago. The game up in Green Bay, unfortunately, doesn't look too good, as playing up there seems to make the Packers almost invincible. This game, too, will be a track meet as Aaron Rodgers is one of the top three quarterbacks in the league along with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. The good thing is that unlike San Francisco, Detroit (who has a first round pick at running back in Jahvid Best and a third round pick in Mikel Leshoure also at that position), and Houston (who will be mentioned later), the Packers are totally one dimensional offensively in that they rely on short, quick passes to do what Hank Stram used to say and "matriculate down the field" rather than having a balance of pass and run. Unfortunately, that "matriculation" works to near perfection for them as Rodgers gets the ball out of his hands quickly as he moves around in the pocket. If the Bears have as strong of a pass rush as I believe they will have, they can take at least the game in Chicago due to it being a big home field advantage for us. Again, I wouldn't be shocked if the games we play against the Packers are high scoring like the ones against Detroit might be as well.

    Lastly, the one home game that I don't think home field advantage will help us with is the one against the Texans. Matt Schaub will be returning from a lower body injury, plus there is the running back tandem of Arian Foster and Ben Tate, and let's not forget that they have on their roster the most prolific wide receiver of the past several years in Andre Johnson (who, by the way, is also returning from injury). Their defense, under the tutelage of defensive coordinator Wade Phillips, is not your grandpa's Texans "D", as it ranked among the top units in the league last year. The Texans' offense will be among the most balanced the Bears' defense will face all season, as was said before that Houston sports Pro Bowlers at quarterback, running back, and wide receiver. I don't think the Bears will win this game because the Texans are going to spread the secondary thin. If we apply too much pressure on the quarterback, Schaub will simply run a lot of screens and draws, and if we play the pass too much, he will carve our secondary a new asshole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagan81 View Post
    While it looks like on paper that the 49ers are loaded at wide receiver with the likes of Randy Moss, Mario Manningham, Michael Crabtree, and tight end Vernon Davis, it's important to note a few things about those players first. To begin with, Randy Moss was in decline in 2010 and didn't even play in 2011. He's in his late 30s and isn't getting any younger, plus he's got a major character issue with his piss-poor attitude, which usually prohibits him from reaching his full potential. I think Moss has lost a step or two, and he may not be in good enough shape to be of any significance to the 49ers next year. Mario Manningham is not a good route runner, and is not even as good as Earl Bennett. (That is not to say that Earl Bennett sucks - he doesn't - but Manningham is very overrated and is getting major props from the media in the wake of that big catch he made in the Super Bowl.) Michael Crabtree is apparently coming off an injury-plagued season and has never materialized into the Pro Bowl wide receiver everybody thought he would be when he was drafted out of Texas Tech. Vernon Davis, however, is a concern, and I fully expect that he will give our linebackers who have to cover him fits when he goes long for a pass. Davis is also going to be used as a chip blocker, and I would imagine that being as the Niners like to run the ball with Frank Gore leading the charge, he will be blocking out on the edges against Peppers and/or McClellin, depending on which side of the field they are on.

    I didn't know how bad the 49ers' offensive line was. If we are half the pass rushing team I think we're capable of being, we should win that game. But I won't hold my breath.
    Geez Louise. You'd think with how much crap everyone is talking about Mario Manningham that we were talking about David Tyree and not Manningham. I'm not saying that he's an elite wideout, but he's a pretty solid number two for most teams. For what it's worth, if Manningham would not have gotten injured then Victor Cruz most likely wouldn't have seen so much time on the field and therefore not put up his great numbers. It wasn't until after Manningham returned from his injury that he was supplanted from the #2 spot. His numbers are not bad, and he was part of a deep receiving corps anyways.

    I don't know exactly how the San Francisco O line "rates" but I know what I saw, which was Alex Smith getting hurried what seemed like every passing play.

    We should be good against them though, we just have to make sure our passing game is firing on all cylinders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelezo Vlk View Post
    Geez Louise. You'd think with how much crap everyone is talking about Mario Manningham that we were talking about David Tyree and not Manningham. I'm not saying that he's an elite wideout, but he's a pretty solid number two for most teams. For what it's worth, if Manningham would not have gotten injured then Victor Cruz most likely wouldn't have seen so much time on the field and therefore not put up his great numbers. It wasn't until after Manningham returned from his injury that he was supplanted from the #2 spot. His numbers are not bad, and he was part of a deep receiving corps anyways.

    I don't know exactly how the San Francisco O line "rates" but I know what I saw, which was Alex Smith getting hurried what seemed like every passing play.

    We should be good against them though, we just have to make sure our passing game is firing on all cylinders.
    I don't watch many Giants games, Zel, but from what I saw in the Super Bowl, Manningham is not all that people crack him up to be. While he did make that great play on a long pass by Eli Manning, there were a couple of other instances where his routes were not crisply run, and as a result, he is not a consistent performer. Obviously the Giants didn't feel like it was any big deal to let him go unless it was a cap issue.

    But yes, I agree with you 100%, I think we stand as good of a shot at beating the 49ers as we do of losing to them. It's going to be a low scoring game, perhaps 21-14 as a final score? What do you think?

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    He's not David Tyree, this isn't just the one thing he ever did. It was probably his shining moment though. Making a spectacular play on the biggest stage of the sport you play normally is the shining moment of your career.

    Look, I think you're underrating him. He's a very competent number 2, which is why the Giants didn't try to replace him or supplement him before now: he's a number 2. His job was taken by Victor Cruz, who put on a phenomenal year. At the very least, I'd say he's been better than Crabtree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelezo Vlk View Post
    He's not David Tyree, this isn't just the one thing he ever did. It was probably his shining moment though. Making a spectacular play on the biggest stage of the sport you play normally is the shining moment of your career.

    Look, I think you're underrating him. He's a very competent number 2, which is why the Giants didn't try to replace him or supplement him before now: he's a number 2. His job was taken by Victor Cruz, who put on a phenomenal year. At the very least, I'd say he's been better than Crabtree.
    I will grant you that Manningham is possibly better than Crabtree. Crabtree has never materialized into the stud WR everyone thought he would be. Manningham has been steady, but I still believe that he has some more work to do in order to become all that he can be.

    And yes, Victor Cruz is some kind of a WR. Over 1,500 yards through the air? That's unbelieveable!

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    Indeed. I'm glad you didn't take offense at what I was saying as I meant none. For a while, I was hoping that we could pick up Manningham, but I didn't want to overpay for him. I think that he would've been a good addition to our corps, but I'm much happier with what we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelezo Vlk View Post
    Indeed. I'm glad you didn't take offense at what I was saying as I meant none. For a while, I was hoping that we could pick up Manningham, but I didn't want to overpay for him. I think that he would've been a good addition to our corps, but I'm much happier with what we have now.
    Oh, no offense, buddy. We can't agree over everything now, can we? And if we did, wouldn't this world be a much more boring place than it is? There's something to be said about land and oil disputes in this world...they cause wars, and reading about them in history is always fun.

    I think we would have found ourselves really putting ourselves out on a limb had we signed Manningham. Essentially, you have the same type of wide out in Earl Bennett who probably has better hands and can probably run better routes. The thing Manningham would have on Bennett is durability; Bennett has been injured for at least parts of the past two seasons. I don't really keep up with Manningham that much other than I remember watching more as a receiver at Michigan, but from what little I have seen, he does tend to run bad routes from time-to-time, but then sometimes he'll put on show and catch a bomb down field like he did on that out pattern along the sideline in Super Bowl XLVI.

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    I wasn't crying over any spilled milk, I just thought he made the most sense out of any of the free agent wide receivers, with the assumption that we wouldn't overpay him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelezo Vlk View Post
    I wasn't crying over any spilled milk, I just thought he made the most sense out of any of the free agent wide receivers, with the assumption that we wouldn't overpay him.
    Yeah, that catch in the Super Bowl got him his big payday, I'm afraid.

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