Thread: Another domino has fallen in our quest to sign Forte...

Extremely rigorous and extremely expensive. I have a couple of clients who are ND grads with kids attending as well. It's a great school with a great rep. I'm a huge ND fan and I hope like hell Brian Kelly gets that program turned around now. I think they have the right guy running the show now.

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

I think this thread has officially been hijacked

Just blame Dags. And he's done run away and hid his self ever since I challenge him to that there duel.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Here are the real #'s based on NFL.com

Inside LeSean McCoy's $45M contract extension - NFL.com

2012: McCoy received an $8.5 million signing bonus, which will be prorated against the cap through the 2016 season ($1.7 million per year) and the $615,000 McCoy was scheduled to earn in the final year of his rookie contract has been fully guaranteed (skill, injury and cap). McCoy's cap number has increased from $957,533 to $2,657,533.


2013: $3 million in fully guaranteed base salary, a $100,000 workout bonus and up to $150,000 in per game active roster bonuses ($9,375 per game). If McCoy is active for all 16 games, his cap number in 2013 would be $4.95 million

2014: $7.65 million in fully guaranteed base salary, a $100,000 workout bonus and up to $250,000 in per game active roster bonuses ($15,625 per game). If McCoy is active for all 16 games, his cap number in 2014 will be $9.7 million

2015: $9.75 million in base salary, of which $1 million is fully guaranteed, a $250,000 workout bonus and $250,000 in per game active roster bonuses ($15,625 per game). If McCoy is active for all 16 games, his 2015 cap number will be $11.95 million

2016: $6.9 million in base salary and a $250,000 workout bonus. McCoy's cap number is scheduled to be $8.85 million.

2017: $7.6 million in base salary and a $250,000 workout bonus. McCoy's cap number is scheduled to be $7.85 million.

OK so Spotrac info came from whatever numbers where available to them at the time. Eventually that will be corrected. I already said there may have been unreported bonuses or incentives that made up that disparity but it still come down to the very same thing.

All he is guaranteed is $19.765 mil through 2014 and $1 mil of his 2015 salary. That's it. There are workout bonuses and roster bonuses amounting to $1.6 which are not guaranteed and $23.25 mil in salaries from 2015-2017 are due after the guarantee and he may see only some or none of that money. Come 2015 when that cap number hits almost $12 mil if he collects everything he better hope he's the best RB in football or he'll be asked to renegotiate this deal and if not he'll become a cap casualty.

So McCoy gets $12.365 mil over the next two years or an average of $6.18 mil per year and $19.765 mil over the next three years or $6.59 mil per year. Can you see how backloaded this deal is Ric? If we gave Forte the first four years of this deal I'd be fine with that. I already said give him $17-$18 mil over two years and that's a better deal for him than this one but this is fine.

In it's first four years it pays $30.615 mil over four years but only $20.765 mil 68% of it is guaranteed. So if the Bears want to offer that ans Forte accepts four years like the first four of this deal then great. But come 2015 he'll either renegotiate that $9.75 base salary or he'll be gone and all he'll see it the guaranteed money anyway. That's about the same things that's gonna happen to MCoy as well.

Sorry but it's no $45 mil deal. He'll never see $45 mil from this contract.

Originally Posted by soulman

It's all about $$$ Zel and stealing some thunder from the Rose Bowl. Besides the SEC teams love to square off against Big Ten (Twelve) teams. They always kick their asses. They play by different rules down south. It's not cheating if you don't get caught is the prevailing sentiment. When isn't one of those programs under NCAA investigation for something. It's a bad year when there's not a scandal going on somewhere in the southland.

Might I remind you that Ohio State is currently under NCAA investigation right now?

Originally Posted by Zelezo Vlk

I'm not saying that the competition between the Big 12 and the SEC in their bowl might not be better, but I don't think it will ever be as prestigious a bowl as the Rose Bowl because of what I've already stated. There's a reason that the Big 10 commissioner is fighting tooth and nail to keep it, it was the first bowl game ever played.

As for my beloved Irish: they're on the precipice of doing very well. Heck, if they could've kept the ball in their hands or keep Tommy Rees off the field last year, we would have been in a BCS game, no doubt. The defense is finally starting to shape up and the offense was downright explosive at times last year. If he keeps it up with another year like last year, you guys will all hear about a running back named Cierre Wood perhaps declaring for the draft.

What exactly do they stand for that you hate, Dags?

Lou Holtz was kind of rushed out, if I remember correctly, and it was one of the worst ideas that we've had. We can still get great recruits every once in a while, but at the same time, it takes a special kind of man to play football at the University of Notre Dame. I believe that the last numbers I saw were the graduation rate of the football team being 97%. That is insane. Notre Dame refuses to take the easy way out and play lots of weak teams on their schedule (take a look at this next year's, and you'll see what I'm talking about). They have lots of rivalries (BC, USC, UM, MSU, FSU, Miami...) that they want to continue playing. This is a team that cannot be dominated by players' egos, and regardless of what anybody says, it is a team that demands intense work ethic and discipline to be a member. Yes, Notre Dame hasn't finished in the top ten, but it doesn't mean they haven't had the talent of top ten teams. If Notre Dame had won that Bush Push game, they would've been the number one seed and not USC, everybody seems to forget that.

I have confidence that Brian Kelly is putting us back on the national map as a powerhouse. Our recruiting has stepped up (you may have heard about us pulling the number one pro-style QB last year), our play has increased, and we are winning against good teams (Michigan was just whoever seemed to have the ball with enought time to score last) in addition to Michigan State (I was at the game, good day). Michigan State, mind you, went on to beat Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan etc and was a darn good football team last year. What was I going to say now? Oh yeah. Stanford has not been competitive year in and year out, everybody just thinks of them now because of Andrew Luck, and they somewhat stumbled into that. He wasn't the top recruit coming out of high school or anything, but he turned out to be an excellent quarterback.

Besides, even when we lose, I can go back and watch highlights of Mr. Montana, and I realize that we'll be back to those glory days soon enough. (Go Irish, and for your sake Dags, Go Vols).

The reason I hate Notre Dame can be simplified by an experience I had at a high school football game involving Knoxville Fulton High School and Knoxville Catholic High School (yes, the Knoxville Catholic High School that Harrison Smith attended.) I remember how pompous and arrogant the people who attended the game and were cheering for Catholic were. They made it out like God was against all teams who dared step foot on the field at their stadium. They recruited every player they wanted, and competed against schools who could only recruit within a given area. Basically, the people who were rooters for Catholic were snobs. That is the way I have always perceived Notre Dame - it's as if they are God's team or something like that, and the people who back the Fighting Irish look down on all other people because they're Notre Dame and we're not. Notre Dame is the ultimate poster child for teams across the country to put up on the wall and throw darts at.

I will say that Notre Dame is good for college football, however. Everyone who ever plays them considers them a rival, even if they don't play every single year. I know that some of Tennessee's greatest games in the past have come against Notre Dame. As a football team, they bring out the best in the teams they play, as I've established with what they do when they play Tennessee. I just wish we could play Notre Dame more often and when Tennessee is good so I could have the satisfaction of having the opportunity to beat the snot out of them.

Sorry. No offense. This is an opinion that is widely held about Notre Dame and, to a slightly lesser degree, the rest of the Midwest teams like Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State. It's almost like there's a sense of entitlement with Northern/Midwest teams because they're older. Hell, I remember back in 1997, Peyton Manning was DENIED the Heisman Trophy because the Northeastern and Midwestern media, along with ESPN, promoted Charles Woodson - A DEFENSIVE PLAYER - for the award. I will never forgive the media/ESPN for that. Even Alabama just got awarded its first Heisman three years ago, and you know there's some bullshit up when the program with the most national championships in college football history can't win the award.