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I'd like to see BSU join the Big 10, err 11, err 12...jeez what are they upto now w/the addition of Nebraska?
anyways I kinda agree w/Soul on the small vs big school thing; but at a certain point the skill level of the guy accross from you has to come into play. I'd llike to see Chicago start leaning towards the bigger schools, I've had enough of the Aplachan states I'd like some Wiscons's USC's and Tx's throwin the mix w/the Aplachan State picks.
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Most of the small school vs big school debate is based on thinking the big school guy faces a higher level of competition. There's obviously some truth to that but neither of them comes close to playing against the level of competition they'll face in the NFL. Because of that I don't think it makes all that much difference. Both are gonna need to raise the level of their game it's just that the small school guy may need to go a little farther down that road that's all.
Sometimes I wonder if the small school guy playing in a more competitive environment isn't a better choice than the guy who played for a team that dominated in a major conference. I don't know about you guys but I see a whole lot of NFL disappointments and downright failures coming out of Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, etc.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. 
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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Some of the small school guys are there cause they are way too dumb if possible to stay in a big school
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Originally Posted by
soulman 
Most of the small school vs big school debate is based on thinking the big school guy faces a higher level of competition. There's obviously some truth to that but neither of them comes close to playing against the level of competition they'll face in the NFL. Because of that I don't think it makes all that much difference. Both are gonna need to raise the level of their game it's just that the small school guy may need to go a little farther down that road that's all.
Sometimes I wonder if the small school guy playing in a more competitive environment isn't a better choice than the guy who played for a team that dominated in a major conference. I don't know about you guys but I see a whole lot of NFL disappointments and downright failures coming out of Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, etc.
Football is a man's game and it's simply hard to predict these 17 and 18 year old kids coming out of HS and where they will be physically and mentally three or four years down the line. For every Parade All-American that gets recruited by huge programs and goes on to dominate in the NFL, there's a late-bloomer who slipped through scouts and got better as he grew up doing the same. The average LB who goes to OSU is very likely a better 18 year old than the guys you see going to New Mexico, but there's simply too much hard work and growing up to be done in college to say who is the better player when they graduate. A lot of top recruits go in cocky and never work hard enough to live up to their potential, but still live off that name in the draft, while guys like Brian Urlacher get a chip on their shoulder, work their asses off and become special players.
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I seem to recall the story of Terry Bradshaw. When he was a senior in high school, he was one of the most highly-recruited QBs in the country down in Louisiana. When it came down to choosing schools, he originally wanted to go to LSU, but, to hear him tell it, "I couldn't pass the entrance exam." Instead, he went on to play at Louisiana Tech. He still was drafted #1 overall in the 1970 NFL Draft by the Pittsburgh Steelers - the draft pick that the Bears should've picked up, but didn't because "Big Ed" McCaskey called the wrong side of the coin. GRRRR.
I don't doubt that there are plenty of talented players who come out of mid-major conferences, guys. I'm not saying that at all. What I was getting at is that most likely, a player with similar statistics coming out of the SEC or Big Ten to a player coming out of the MAC or WAC or Mountain West Conference usually find the road to the NFL to not be as bumpy, and history bears this out. For every Tony Dorsett, Jason Witten, or Peyton Manning who comes through the college ranks in a major conference or, back in the day that Dorsett played his college ball at Pitt, an Independent, there are stories like Walter Payton, Terry Bradshaw, and Shannon Sharpe who played either at mid-major schools or maybe even as low of a level as D-II.
I didn't mean to come across as snooty by my earlier observations. It's easy for me to make these observations with that slant to them since I attended, and am a fan of, the University of Tennessee, which is a charter member of the SEC, which is considered to be, right now, the best conference talent-wise in all of major college football. (Certainly, the six consecutive years of teams from this conference winning national championships would indicate that, as well as the first round draft picks.) I've read some sportswriters who make the same comparisons that I'm all-too tempted to make of schools from conferences that are not considered big-time players on the national scene that say that very thing as well. If you read one of the recent Dan Pompei Q & A's that I think I posted back a week ago, he compares Evan Rodriguez to Aaron Hernandez, and where he says that Hernandez has him beat as far as talent and potential is concerned is in this statement right here: Rodriguez played at Temple against the inferior competition of the Mid American Conference (MAC), while Hernandez competed in the Southeastern Conference while a football student/athlete at Florida. Is that fair? Only time will tell.
But I will say this much: on the episode of the NFL Network's Top 10 "Football Factories", the list goes like this -
1) USC
2) Miami (Fla.)
3) Notre Dame
4) Ohio State
5) Michigan
6) Alabama
7) Penn State
8) Syracuse
9) The Mid American Conference
10)Tennessee
So, while it's clear that the vast majority of Hall of Fame talent comes out of teams in the major conferences, it is very possible and more than fair to state that mid-major conferences can compete with developing NFL talent as well. It's just that very few mid-major teams are as concentrated with talent as is the typical powerhouse program out of either the SEC or the Big Ten or wherever those teams are from.
There, I rest my case! lol 
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I guess really my biggest beef with my college team (Notre Dame) is that a lot of their players became Packers. Oh well.
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Originally Posted by
Zelezo Vlk I guess really my biggest beef with my college team (Notre Dame) is that a lot of their players became Packers. Oh well.
God, I hate Notre Dame, but one of my favorite Tennessee games came against them back on November 9, 1991. Here in Knoxville amongst Vols fans, the game is known as "The Miracle at South Bend." What happened was that Tennessee fell behind Notre Dame at halftime by a score of 31-7. However, Daryl Hardy blocked a Notre Dame field goal attempt in the third quarter and returned it 85-yards for a touchdown, cutting the deficit to 25 points. Then, with just a few minutes left in the game, Tennessee scored the touchdown that put them in the lead by what would be the final score of 35-34. After that, Notre Dame went on a fast and furious drive in the final moments of the game, but Jeremy Lincoln blocked the field goal attempt with his ass of all things. As I mentioned in the previous sentence, the final score was 35-34 Tennessee over Notre Dame.
Both teams would go on to play in big New Year's Day bowl games. Tennessee played against Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl, but got blown out by Penn State by a score of 42-17 despite only giving up 226 yards of total offense on defense! Meanwhile, Notre Dame would go on to win the Sugar Bowl, 39-28, over Florida. The Irish gained just 279 yards in the game, with 141 of those yards coming in the 4th Quarter, while Florida put up 511 total yards!
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Originally Posted by
Zelezo Vlk I guess really my biggest beef with my college team (Notre Dame) is that a lot of their players became Packers. Oh well.
Should we kill them 
or just curse them? 
The Bears used to have more ND guys but not so much since Lovie has become the coach.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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Originally Posted by
soulman Should we kill them
or just curse them?
The Bears used to have more ND guys but not so much since Lovie has become the coach.
I think we should bomb the shit out of South Bend, IN, and level the Golden Dome and Touchdown Jesus to the ground! RAWR!!!
Just kidding, Zelezo. You know I have to give you hell since I hate Notre Dame football...lol.
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I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
Bad mouth "Irish" football will ya'.
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