Thread: Bush looking forward to playoff run with Bears

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

German, I just looked at all the recent news reports about this issue, and nothign says the Bears offered 16-18 mil in guarantees. That is speculation from Soul who's assuming they want to keep him.

As for the players we have to resign, that's all fine and good, but don't lie to the man and say you're our first priority to get signed, then give him a bs offer and say we'll look at it next year(which is what they did).

QB/OL/DL/WR..errr not wr. QB/OL/DL yes. WR isn't near as important as RB right now, b/c RB is how you stop QB/WR from being on the field, no longer is the D(the D's have been handcuffed by idiodic rules).

Melton is another highly over rated player on this team. He's good, but not worth re signing. Melton's are a dime a dozen in the league. The guy had Peppers getting double/triple teamed and still couldn't consistantly pressure a qb. THere is NO ONE on this DL outside of Peppers who's job should be safe.

Well of course it is but you're still clinging to the notion that they're still offering $13-$14 mil like they opened up with last fall. When you step forth and announce that you've made a "strong offer" like Ted Phillips did I don't understand how you could equate that with just tossing the same thing on the table they did last fall.

Why would he call the same offer that had already been turned down a "strong offer"? Does that make any sense to you at all? How would you feel. What would your response be if you asked for a $5000 a year raise and your boss said no but will give you $3000. You feel your worth more so you ask for another meeting to discuss it and he throws out the same thing just window dressed with some verbal reinforcement of is position.

Ric that's not the way negotiations work and we both know that. You make your own assumptions Ric when you imply that they don't want to keep him yet they've continued to negotiate with him. Explain to me why they would do that if they really wanted him gone? Can you give me just one reason why the Bears would do that!

Your whole second paragraph is all speculation. You have no idea what took place other than the FACT that they made him an opening offer and even those numbers are speculative because neither the Bears nor Forte have confirmed or denied them. Following that they continued to negotiate with him until it reached an impasse so both parties decided to shelve it until after the season. This is what we know and it's all ew know for certain.

Why you keep clinging to this fantasy that they never wanted to sign him to begin with is a mystery to me. Franchise Tags are "cap killers" and the fact that we needed to shelve almost $8 mil of cap space to pay Forte probably kept us out of the pursuit for a top FA like MWill. Team would much rather get a deal done and spread costs out than to have them all hit at once. I can guarantee you that if Forte had agreed to a deal his 2012 cap cost would have been significantly less than $7.74 mil. If we tag him again it still leaves us with that same problem doesn't it.

I've posted some stuff based on following what seems logical based on what I know about negotiating and how player compensation effects the cap. I've never claimed that I knew or had any info to confirm what I've posted other than to say this is what I think may be happening based on what has happened so far. So of course it's speculation but you can't lay claim to any more proof than I can of what's gone on because neither the Bears or Forte have released any of that info.

The real fact of the matter is that your basing what you think on what a reporter said and nothing more. I'm at least basing it on my own hunches and by looking at the comparable contracts of other RB's who got new deals recently. You're idea date back to last fall and you haven't bothered to update them. Who cares what happened then. It's done and gone. That was 6 months ago and this is now. Nobody is buying into poor mistreated Matt Forte any longer Ric. Nobodies flying signs saying "pay da man" anymore Ric.

The pendulum of public sentiment about this is swinging the other way Ric because now people are beginning to see Matt Forte as being stubborn and unwilling to compromise. Even his own teammates have hinted at this or has that passed by you unnoticed too? He's not gonna get what he "thinks" he's worth so you either get what you can or play the season under the tag. A or B, there aren't any other choices.

And finally where in the hell did you come up with your evaluation of Henry Melton? A dime a dozen you say. Ric you don't know what the fuck your talking about. SI did a piece on the top DT's in the NFL and out 100 guys he was ranked 8th if I remember correctly. You've got a 25 years old guy who made 7 sacks last year at DT and looks to be the second coming of Tommie Harris and you don't think we should keep him?

That's really amazing that you would come up with that evaluation when I'd be willing to bet at least 90% of the leagues personnel guys would tell you that you were wrong. That was his first year starting not his fifth. Man am I ever glad Phil Emery is running the Bears and not you. We'd sign Forte but lose a top DT in the process. Ric look at how many DT who can pass rush were taken in the first round of the 2012 draft Then look at the second rounders too. Teams take as many or more gambles on these guys than most any other position because there aren't many good pass rushing DT's to be had. Smart teams don't let those guys hit FA and if the Bears were wise they'd lock him up for another 4 or 5 years before this season ends.

Originally Posted by BigBadPapaBear

The 2013 RB class could be one of the best ever if some JRs come out. He's replaceable.

That's what I'm thinking. Bears have many options next year. See what you have in Allen/Bell, draft a RB with the 3rd Round Pick or sign a FA for cheap and go with the better guy.

For next year, I'd like to trade down with our 1st to get an additional 3rd. Would draft LB in the 2nd and RB & OL in the 3rd next year

Originally Posted by GermansbombedPH

That's what I'm thinking. Bears have many options next year. See what you have in Allen/Bell, draft a RB with the 3rd Round Pick or sign a FA for cheap and go with the better guy.

For next year, I'd like to trade down with our 1st to get an additional 3rd. Would draft LB in the 2nd and RB & OL in the 3rd next year

We have no third next year Germans. We traded it to Miami for Marshall.

Originally Posted by soulman

We have no third next year Germans. We traded it to Miami for Marshall.

One of the best deals ever!

Originally Posted by soulman

We have no third next year Germans. We traded it to Miami for Marshall.

That's not what he meant, soul. He meant to trade down to get a third pick and perhaps more. I don't think he articulated what he meant as clearly as he would have liked, but that's probably what he meant.

Originally Posted by soulman

We have no third next year Germans. We traded it to Miami for Marshall.

From my understanding we traded the Olsen pick (a 3rd rounder) for Marshall. We still have ours.

Originally Posted by short faced bear

From my understanding we traded the Olsen pick (a 3rd rounder) for Marshall. We still have ours.

We traded the Olsen pick and next year's 3rd Rounder for Marshall.