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    Sports Network: "Forte on a slippery slope"

    There have been a lot of threads on Forte's situation, but this one is worth a read, even though it's a fantasy football writer. Matt really is in a tough situation, he was in a much better position to hammer out a contract BEFORE this off-season. I still wish we could get him a longer term deal that wouldn't hurt the Bears, but still be something Forte could live with too.


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    By Thomas J. Harrigan

    Everything is trending downward for Chicago Bears running back Matt Forte.

    His health is a concern, he's unhappy with his contract situation and the Bears acquired wide receiver Brandon Marshall and running back Michael Bush this offseason.

    He's also shouldered most of the load for Chicago in his four NFL seasons, handling the ball 1,237 times (1,014 carries, 223 receptions).

    Don't expect that to continue.

    While the addition of Marshall to the offense may serve to open up some holes for Forte, the 6-foot-4 receiver also will take away many of the targets Forte has been accustomed to receiving with the Bears.

    Primarily, Forte's value comes from his high volume of touches. He's been a true featured back, part of a dying breed in the NFL. The running back led Chicago in passing targets with 76 last season despite missing the final four games due to a sprained MCL.

    Marshall knows quarterback Jay Cutler well from their Denver days, and the two clearly have a good rapport on the gridiron. In Marshall's two full seasons with the Broncos with Cutler at the helm, he caught 206 passes for 2,590 yards.

    With Marshall around, it appears that Forte's days of leading the team in targets are over, and that's bad news for a player who doesn't cross the goal line very often.

    In 2011, Forte had just three rushing touchdowns as Marion Barber poached six scores for Chicago. In his career, he's averaged just 7.25 total touchdowns per season.

    Then there's the whole Michael Bush situation. Not only will the slice of touches be smaller for Bears running backs with Marshall in the fold, but Forte will have to split that smaller piece with a 6-foot-1, 245-pound workhorse. Healthy competition may be good for the Bears' chances of contending, but it's not very helpful in fantasy football, as the DeAngelo Williams-Jonathan Stewart time share in Carolina has shown us.

    With the Raiders in 2011, Bush carried the ball 256 times for 977 yards, and chipped in 37 receptions for 418 yards. He also scored eight total touchdowns while fumbling just once. On the heels of his best season, Chicago came calling and handed Bush a $14 million contract with $7 million guaranteed. We don't expect the team to suddenly mothball the veteran, not when he's making that kind of dough.

    Forte also is feeling insulted after Chicago attempted to slap the franchise tag on him. The running back refused to sign the tender and is threatening to hold out. How'd that work out last season, Chris Johnson owners?

    All of these factors make it a near certainty that Forte will underperform his early Yahoo! ADP of 22.4. There are plenty of running backs being taken after Forte who make for much safer plays this season.

    Seattle's Marshawn Lynch, Dallas' DeMarco Murray and even Kansas City's Jamaal Charles (coming off a torn ACL) should outperform Forte this year.
    Go Bears!


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    Possible strategies for disgruntled players hit with the franchise tag


    Originally Published: June 4, 2012
    By Andrew Brandt | ESPN.com



    The NFL's offseason is longer than its season, with the first meaningful snap after the Super Bowl coming seven months later in September. From a front-office perspective, the offseason -- when teams are assembled and renovated -- is busier than the season. I always chuckled when people asked, "What do you do in the offseason?"

    I always referred to the offseason as "me time," with players more concerned about their personal situations than the team. Football becomes a business with issues that can be a bit messy.

    Rumbles of discontent may come in different decibels, usually pointing to recent contracts around the league of similarly situated players. And players will sometimes say, "It's not about the money," which, of course, means, it's all about the money. Speaking of which...

    The Agent Playbook

    From my perspective, the agent's strategy of pursuing more money for the player is quite scripted, with their usual game plan as follows:

    1. Express feelings of disappointment about the current contract.

    2. Absent a team response, suggest that a trade may be beneficial for both sides.

    3. Absent a team response, seek permission to survey teams for a possible trade (which some agents do anyway without permission).

    4. Absent a team response, express the possibility and/or probability that the player may skip offseason workouts, minicamps, OTAs and perhaps even training camp, which, of course, would breach his contract.


    Every team in the NFL faces these situations, some more publicly than others. The agent/player objective is to create angst in the team offices to cause a reaction. In 2010, Darrelle Revis' holdout clearly rattled the Jets as it played out in front of a national audience on HBO.

    My sense is that teams should not engage discontented players, although some teams do fire back, as Chargers general manager AJ Smith did with Vincent Jackson in recent years. Most teams simply let disgruntled player comments go without response -- the Patriots' Bill Belichick is a master at this -- serving to further frustrate the player.

    Contractually, when faced with player discontent, the team can (1) do nothing; (2) rip up the existing contract and replace it with a new one to the player's liking; or (3) something in between. In my time in Green Bay, I negotiated the "something in between" a few times, adding money that was "earnable" -- per-game roster bonuses, workout bonuses, incentives, etc. -- rather than guarantees. It was neither what the player nor the team desired, but it was a workable compromise.

    This year's disgruntled may include Revis, Matt Forte, Ray Rice, Drew Brees and Mike Wallace. One name removed from the list was Osi Umenyiora, who received the "in between" from the Giants, an approximate $3 million bump to his 2012 salary with a contractual promise that he will not receive the franchise tag in 2013.

    Revis, as noted, went through a contract dispute two short summers ago, but watched the cornerback market pass him by with this year's free-agent deals for Brandon Carr and Cortland Finnegan. He is now floating some clouds of dissatisfaction for the Jets to hear. His situation illustrates why front offices sometimes feel, in regard to early contract adjustments, that no good deed goes unpunished.

    With players under contract such as Revis, teams are more fortified by the new CBA. Along with higher daily fines for missing training camp, the CBA now allows "forfeitable breaches" of previously paid bonus money if the player holds out. For a player who has received considerable bonuses such as Revis, forfeiture could be quite expensive.

    Tagged or tendered players such as Brees, Forte, Rice and Wallace are unsigned and not subject to penalties. They sit and hope for what every player wants, a long-term contract with top-of-market average per year (APY) and guarantees. On a more emotional level, they want the respect of being taken care of by their team.

    In these situations, decisions can never be made in a vacuum. It is never about just one player; it is about the entire locker room. Whatever happens between teams and players becomes a way of doing business. Fans, media and, most importantly, teammates are watching.
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    I think both of these articles provide some insight into the struggle between the Bears and Matt Forte over a new contract.

    In the first as the author points out unquestionably Matt Forte's number of touches will decline this year and in future years as well. The changes in the Bears roster have made it very clear that they're about to become a more pass oriented team than they ever have in the past. Given a QB/WR combo like Cutler and Marshall that just makes good sense. Regardless of his production last season pretty much proved who the most important cog in the Bears offense is.

    Looking at it from that perspective he'll be asked to do less than he has in the past which should actually help him to extend his career by a couple of years. This alone makes it more likely that he'll actually collect on his entire contract than a few others with deals that virtually assure that they'll be renegotiated in favor of the team or the player will become a cap casualty. So the question is does Matt realize and understand that his importance to the team is diminishing and that as much as anything reduces what they will offer.

    Every pass to Marshall, Jeffery or Davis that otherwise would have gone to him and every carry Bush makes means fewer touches and less total yardage for him. It's unfortunate that the trend in how the Bears offense is structured is moving away from him just at the time when he's due for a new deal but that is the reality of it. You can't pay him for the past and his future production will diminish simply from being used less. Maybe it would help if he looked at that as an advantage as opposed to a detraction. Like I pointed out he may collect on that 4th year of his deal if the cost is still reasonable where others may not.

    LeSean McCoy isn't going to be playing under a deal with almost a $12 mil cap hit in 2015. Once some of these guys hit those final years of their contracts after the guarantees have been paid they become awfully vulnerable if they're productivity drops and they're perceived to be on the backside of their careers. If they get cut they don't make $8 mil in that 4th year. They end up like quite a few former starting QB's, signing a one or two year deal for around $2 mil and may never see a long term offer again. They become role players.

    Andrew Brandt who has had his share of experience with contract negotiations from both sides of the table offers his insights on the path that agents will usually take and he also provides a glimpse of how that Bears might break the impasse with Matt Forte. The Bears are never going to give in to the guarantees he's after but maybe they could satisfy him and their need to manage their risk by adding performance based incentives that sweeten the deal provided Forte stay healthy and productive.

    I guess if it were me that's the way I would approach it. The Bears fear his knees will become a problem but Forte doesn't. So if they add some bonus dollars in the later years of the deal maybe the come to an agreement. If Matt plays up to those levels he gets a significant bonus but if the Bears are right and his productivity slips due to knee problems they're protected. The only stumbling block is negotiating what's reasonable as far as the expectations those bonuses will be based on.

    Maybe this is the direction they need to move towards in order to get a deal done.
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    this is another contract that can go to the oline. We just have too much money invested in running backs imo. If we didnt sign Bush however i would be on the sign forte asap bandwagon. Even though Bush imo isnt as good as Forte in the new nfl he is good enough. And if Bell can stop fumbling he has some energy to make something happen at the position. But now that there are no olineman worthwhile anyways Im with the bears to not over pay him. We still have a hefty Cutler contract coming up

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    I think they've drawn their line in the sand as far as guaranteed money goes. If there's any wiggle room it's gonna need to come in the form of incentives or other earned dollars tacked on at the end.

    I still think the knee thing is bullshit and dirty pool but in reality it's only an excuse or propaganda to keep fan sentiment on the Bears side. The bottom line is there's only so much they can pay and not be in trouble getting other deals done and it wouldn't make any difference whether he was AP of CJ either. That cap bank only has so many dollars in it and as Umenyiora said you can't afford to pay everybody top dollar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motownbear View Post
    this is another contract that can go to the oline. We just have too much money invested in running backs imo. If we didnt sign Bush however i would be on the sign forte asap bandwagon. Even though Bush imo isnt as good as Forte in the new nfl he is good enough. And if Bell can stop fumbling he has some energy to make something happen at the position. But now that there are no olineman worthwhile anyways Im with the bears to not over pay him. We still have a hefty Cutler contract coming up
    I agree regarding the oline FA's market not having much left to pick from. I've been thinking about how we draft a dline guy high every year, and an army of safeties. Would it be crazy to draft a fairly high oline guy every year or so? Even if it was a 2nd or 3rd round high-quality prospect to let Tice coach up? You would never have to pay top dollar for oline FA's.

    With 5 positions represented on the oline, and with backups, that's 9 or 10 players we invest in there. It's a significant percentage of your team - numbers wise. And the entire offense relies on that line as the foundation - so that your expensive skill players can truly play to their FULL potential.

    You'd have your own stream of young/talented players coming into the system. I'll bet you could have one of the better olines in the NFL if you followed this - and you would never be in a crisis mode where the whole oline was substandard.

    (I just decided I'm going to start a thread on this idea :-)
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    This is actually a better spot for this post, sorry for the redo:

    I think you can put to end the idea that he is being a distraction or a neg impact. The players know that this is a business and he'll be here ready to play when the business is at an end.

    Glad to see the Bears have reached out for continued talks, but if I'm Forte I'm skeptical of "continued talks once the tag is signed" they pulled that stunt last year to his detriment, no reason to fall for it again.


    http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/8017281/chicago-bears-lance-briggs-empathizes-matt-forte

    Lance Briggs respects Matt ForteUpdated: June 6, 2012, 4:20 PM ET
    By Michael C. Wright | ESPNChicago.com





    LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Teammates remain unwavering in their support of franchise-tagged running back Matt Forte and his battle with the Chicago Bears organization to secure a long-term contract.
    Having endured a similar situation in 2007, when the Bears placed the franchise tag on him, linebacker Lance Briggs shed light on what Forte might be presently experiencing, advising the running back should "just do what you believe because no one knows you like you, and no one's gonna take care of you like you."
    "It's just rough. I know he wants to be out here with his team," Briggs said. "But you also know what your value is in this league and you work hard. You want that to be recognized with a long-term deal.
    "You know how this business is. It's rough. It can be brutal."

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    It's believed the organization recently reached out to Forte in an effort to re-ignite negotiations between the sides, but the caveat to the sides continuing talks is for the running back to sign the franchise tender. Forte's agent, Adisa Bakari, didn't respond to a message seeking comment.
    The NFL deadline for franchise-tagged players to sign multiyear extensions is July 16. A player can be tagged three times.
    Briggs discussed the long-term security Forte seeks in reminiscing about his own experience with the franchise tag and contentious negotiations.
    "The toughest part was I wanted a long-term deal and the organization didn't at the time," Briggs said. "It was a little personal where I put some time in and I thought I had earned the right to stay here for a long time rather than give you my services for a year, and then potentially be shopped out again. So a lot of guys want that long-term security. They want to know the team wants (them) for a long period of time."
    A four-year veteran, Forte earned his first Pro Bowl selection in 2011, gaining 1,487 yards from scrimmage, which led the league before a sprained right medial collateral ligament sustained on Dec. 4 knocked him out of the final four games. But it's likely Forte would have returned had the team made a postseason run. Instead, the club dropped five of six down the stretch.
    Given what's expected to be a run-first philosophy under new offensive coordinator Mike Tice, Forte's value to the team is significant. The likelihood of Forte struggling to learn the new system isn't high, considering the Bears will use virtually the same concepts in the running game as they did in 2011 under Mike Martz.
    After a few offseason practice sessions, cornerback Tim Jennings said players on offense were excited about the team's new system.
    "I can't wait to get Matt back out here so we can put some things together to see how good we really can be," Jennings said.
    Briggs, meanwhile, said he understood Forte's position.
    "He hasn't let me down. He hasn't let any of the teammates down," Briggs said. "This is Matt's life. He's come out here and he's put his life, and his mind and body on the field for all of us. He's given a lot of thrills for the city of Chicago, and everyone has seen what he's capable of doing and what he means to our team."
    Briggs also feels strongly about an extension for Brian Urlacher, who is entering the final year of his contract.
    "We all -- not me, but this whole city and the organization and the players here -- we all better hope that that happens because he means a whole lot to our success," Briggs said. "He's pivotal to our success."


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    well idk if the reason we draft S and DL every year early is because Lovie is psycho for the d over the o or just a complete failure at drafting those two positions so much so that we have to keep drafting them early lol

    but we did draft two first round tackles. And both apparantly had injury concerns and was ignored. Lets hope at least one of them pans out and my hopes is on Carimi. But I do agree the interior oline gets the shaft too often

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    Matt Forte looking for 'respect'

    Updated: June 7, 2012, 9:50 AM ET
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    Chicago Bears running back Matt Forte said Wednesday that he's not looking to be the NFL's highest-paid running back, but is seeking a long-term contract commensurate with his standing among other players around the league at his position.
    Ranked the 33rd-best player on NFL Network's "Top 100 Players of 2012
    ," Forte was asked on the network's reaction show whether he felt disrespected by the franchise in his quest to land a new deal.

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    "All you can ask for is respect, and you go out there and you do your best to earn it. Respect isn't given to anybody," Forte said Wednesday. "You've got to earn it out there. So the way I go about playing the game, preparing for it and the way I play, I feel I have earned the respect.
    "As far as being disrespected, I don't know. Maybe it's just the business side of the league. It's unfortunate that when the organization does treat it as a business (but) when a player does, he gets frowned upon. You have to do what's best for you and your family.
    "All my teammates know I'm gonna be there for them, give my best out there and my heart out there on the field."
    In 2011, Forte -- despite missing four games with a sprained MCL -- led a Bears rushing attack that surpassed the 2,000-yard rushing mark (2,015 yards) for just the second time in the past 21 seasons. Forte rushed for a team-high 997 yards and boosted the passing game with 52 receptions for 490 yards.
    In doing so, Forte became the first player in NFL history to gain 1,000 yards or more from scrimmage in each of his first four seasons.
    In addition, Forte joined Walter Payton, Neal Anderson and Gale Sayers as players to produce four seasons of 1,000 yards or more from scrimmage.
    "This is Matt's life," Bears linebacker Lance Briggs said Tuesday.
    "He's come out here, and he's put his life and his mind and body on the field for all of us. He's given a lot of thrills to the city of Chicago, and everyone has seen what he's capable of doing and what he means to our team."
    Forte sustained a season-ending sprained right medial collateral knee ligament in a Dec. 4 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs but said the recovery process has been relatively easy.

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    "I had a lot of down time going into the offseason. I pretty much was healed up before the Pro Bowl," Forte said. "So it's been a while since then. I've just been training with my regular trainers and getting prepared for the season coming up."
    Among the running backs ranked on the NFL Network's top 100 players, Forte was No. 7 at his position. Forte believes the knee injury against the Chiefs might have lowered his standing.
    "I love to compete, and I train hard and work hard so I can be considered amongst the top running backs," he said. "For six backs to be ahead, I don't know about that. I feel like maybe if I would have finished through the season, I may have been top 10 on the 100 players list. Unfortunately, that injury happened."
    According to sources, the Bears -- looking to kick-start negotiations -- recently reached out to Forte, but the caveat to continuing talks is that the running back must sign the franchise tender the team extended in March. The NFL deadline for franchise-tagged players to sign multiyear extensions is July 16.
    If the sides can't come to agreement on a new deal by the deadline, Forte must play under the franchise tag, which will pay approximately $7.7 million.
    Forte scoffed at the presumption he'd like to become the NFL's highest-paid back.
    "Definitely no," Forte said. "I just want to be given a contract where I rank among some of the top running backs; not the top paid or highest paid or anything like that. I just want to be recognized as one of the best."

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