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    I think Emery is capable of changing that and he will. There's a couple of things we need accept though.

    1) Ready to roll rookie LT's are few and far between. Any of those on the board come draft day will get swallowed up in the first few picks just like Kalil did. If we stay close to the top of the NFL in victories the chances of getting a shot at one are slim. If neither Webb or CWill work out we're still gonna end up with one who'll take two to three years to develop unless we're lucky enough to find a young guy in FA.

    One other footnote that goes somewhat to the defense of Webb and his 12 sacks last year. Tyron Smith was the first OT taken in the 2011 draft by the Cowboys. Last year he played RT and gave up 9.5 sacks. Sometimes even the best take time to adapt to the NFL and it's foolish to believe any lower round pick will come in and play any better.

    2) Good OG's and OC's can be gotten in the middle rounds of the draft and sometimes even later. Our last two OC's, Olin Kruetz and Jerry Fontenot were mid round picks. Before them Hilgy was an UDFA so the need to fill these positions high in the draft isn't always there. Recently we took a look at some of the best FA lineman who switched teams and half of those guys were drafted in the 5th round or later. Some were even UDFA's.

    So it's not foolish to pass on interior lineman in favor of other positions like DE, DT, LB or WR and RB where it's tougher to get top talent beyond the third round. Emery did a pretty nice job of filling offensive holes at skill positions and I have no doubt if this line doesn't measure up that he'll be beating the bushes for good prospects next year.
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    I agree Soul. You can get outstanding talent on the interior line in the 2nd and 3rd round. And there's countless players who were drafted in later rounds who had stellar careers (Jeff Saturday was not drafted, just as Hilgenberg wasn't).

    But a LT is a rare breed. I agree that most will need work at the NFL level to pan out (that's why I haven't given up hope with Webb being solid).

    Chris Williams, IMHO, is a real solid LG. He's definitely a quality interior lineman. But he's not the answer at LT. I classify that as our experiment to make Hester a true #1 WR. Hester has great value to our team. He's probably going to be a powerful weapon in the slot. But he's no more a #1 WR than Chris Williams is a LT.
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    Well we'll know soon enough about CWill. Once camp starts and the pads go on they're both gonna have to face Pep daily so that's about as good an opponent as you can get. CWill has got the athleticism to play LT but it's been a while since he's played on the outside which is kind of a handicap but Webb has to have somebody to challenge him.
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    I love to see the competition at LT. It's great. Webb certainly seems like the kind of guy who needs to be pushed. If Webb doesn't improve, then we can probably get by with Chris Williams. I hate that because I believe Chris is an excellent LG for us, but a mediocre (at best) LT. I sure hope Webb can step his game up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    I think Emery is capable of changing that and he will. There's a couple of things we need accept though.

    1) Ready to roll rookie LT's are few and far between. Any of those on the board come draft day will get swallowed up in the first few picks just like Kalil did. If we stay close to the top of the NFL in victories the chances of getting a shot at one are slim. If neither Webb or CWill work out we're still gonna end up with one who'll take two to three years to develop unless we're lucky enough to find a young guy in FA.

    One other footnote that goes somewhat to the defense of Webb and his 12 sacks last year. Tyron Smith was the first OT taken in the 2011 draft by the Cowboys. Last year he played RT and gave up 9.5 sacks. Sometimes even the best take time to adapt to the NFL and it's foolish to believe any lower round pick will come in and play any better.

    2) Good OG's and OC's can be gotten in the middle rounds of the draft and sometimes even later. Our last two OC's, Olin Kruetz and Jerry Fontenot were mid round picks. Before them Hilgy was an UDFA so the need to fill these positions high in the draft isn't always there. Recently we took a look at some of the best FA lineman who switched teams and half of those guys were drafted in the 5th round or later. Some were even UDFA's.

    So it's not foolish to pass on interior lineman in favor of other positions like DE, DT, LB or WR and RB where it's tougher to get top talent beyond the third round. Emery did a pretty nice job of filling offensive holes at skill positions and I have no doubt if this line doesn't measure up that he'll be beating the bushes for good prospects next year.
    Good eye Soul. I had that on my mind awhile back when I heard of it. Smith, while heralded as a very promising T prospect, didn't do real well in pass protection as a rookie. And now he moves to LT. Should be even more interesting.

    You know the last (2) LTs that came into the NFL and just dominated right from the starte were Orlando Pace, Tony Boselli and Jake Long. People just don't get it at how long it can take to get a guy ready to handle the LT spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadPapaBear View Post
    Good eye Soul. I had that on my mind awhile back when I heard of it. Smith, while heralded as a very promising T prospect, didn't do real well in pass protection as a rookie. And now he moves to LT. Should be even more interesting.

    You know the last (2) LTs that came into the NFL and just dominated right from the starte were Orlando Pace, Tony Boselli and Jake Long. People just don't get it at how long it can take to get a guy ready to handle the LT spot.

    LOL, thats 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yttocs View Post
    LOL, thats 3.
    LOL You're right.

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    Fans love the "glitzy" picks in the draft. WR's, franchise RB's, TE's who they feel will be great, and certainly QB's are the darlings of the NFL. Most fans don't give a crap about the oline. Oh, they are the first to complain when their season ends up in the toilet due to a crappy oline. But they often feel it's due to the "glitzy" positions needing upgrades.

    But, often this is simply NOT the problem. It's like "treating the symptoms and not the disease" because the oline has the power to make every weapon on offense better. A lot better. It's one of the few positions on a football team that produces multiple benefits. The oline gives tremendous "bang for the buck" too. It's a great value-way to upgrade a team through the draft. A relatively modest investment can bring HUGE benefits to a team - and since great olinemen often last for over 10 years (often 12 to 14 great years), it's a bargain to draft great oline talent.

    I watch the old clips on NFL network quite often. They'll show the greatest offensive players in the history of the NFL (top 10, top 100, greatest this or that players). Watch the oline work in those clips. The QB usually has all day to pass, the RB's have holes big enough to drive a '58 Buick through untouched, TE's and WR's have all day to run perfect routes. But it's the oline that makes it all work.

    I get crap all the time from people on message boards who don't believe this......allthough the guys on this board seem to have high football IQ's in comparison with most football boards.......but I'm telling you, our season will largely depend upon:

    #1 Our key players staying healthy
    #2 Oline being solid

    Yes, all 53 players are important too. Yes, we need a solid defense. Yes, the new toys on offense need to be good. But it really comes down mostly to #1 and #2 factors (above) IMHO. There's no magic bullet here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadPapaBear View Post
    LOL You're right.
    Make it and even four,LOL. Gabe Carimi's predecessor at Wisconsin, Joe Thomas, has done pretty well too. It's just a shame he's stuck in Cleveland but as I was saying before that the way it usually ends up. The best LT are playing for crappier teams because those are the teams who drafted high enough to take them. For the rest it's a process of developing one out of lesser picks.
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