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Ya, I'm not saying he's an elite scorer he's not, he's tied for that w/Rice at the bottom. BUT he's really top end everywhere else, so I think that evens it out a lot.
I also think that if given a shot you could see a jump in his scoring b/c he finally has other scoring threats around him. But we'll just have to see.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01
I'll again reiterate, they have the EXACT same TD's as eachother. Rice also had the luxury of running behind(what is considered) the best FB last year and Rice credited him w/this great season.
I agree both are two different backs in 2 different systems, but are top 5-10 rb's. but to think one as prolific in scoring and the other to struggle at it is assinine when they both have the same td's.
Forte: 60 gms, rsh/pss att 1237, rsh yds 4233 pss 1985 tot 6218 rsh tds 21 pss 8 total 29, fum 12
D Will: 61 gms rsh/pss att 809, rsh yds 3829 pss 569 tot 4398, rsh td's 33 pss 2 total 35 fum 4
M Tur: 59 gms rsh/pss att 1229, rsh yds 5281 pss 329 tot 5610 rsh td's 50 pss 0, tot 50, fum 12
Gore: 55 gms rsh/pss att 1112 rsh yds 4220 pss 1345 tot 5565 rsh td's 27, pss 7 tot 34, fum 16
Rice: 61 gms rsh/pss att 1209 rsh yds 4377 pss 2235 tot 6612 rsh td's 24 pss 6 tot 29, fum 6
MJD: 62 gms rsh/pss att 1343 rsh yds 5145, pss 1630 tot 6775 rsh td's 40 pss 8 tot 48 fum 15
Jamal:49 gms rsh/pss att 616 rsh yds 3027, pss 1046 tot 4073 rsh td's 12 pss td's 6 total 18, fum 8.
McC*: 46 gms rsh/pss att 801 rsh yds 3026, pss 1215, tot 4241 rsh td's 28 pss 5 tot 33 fum 5
* McCoy's the only one not in the league in the last 4 years. Btw, last year was his break out TD year w/20 before that he was right in the range of Forte.
That's crazy. I didn't realize they were almost identical stat-wise. The only real significant difference is the number of fumbles, which would give Rice a slight edge IMO. You couldn't go wrong with having either of them on your team though.
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No and even w/the fumbles it's 1 out of 100 or 1 out of 200. While that's a big # diff, it's still well w/in what you want your rb doing.
Forte is right up there w/just about everyone,really. The difference in TD's breaks down to fractal #'s per game, outside of Turner and MJD who are abolute scoring beasts.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01
I'll again reiterate, they have the EXACT same TD's as eachother. Rice also had the luxury of running behind(what is considered) the best FB last year and Rice credited him w/this great season.
I agree both are two different backs in 2 different systems, but are top 5-10 rb's. but to think one as prolific in scoring and the other to struggle at it is assinine when they both have the same td's.
Forte: 60 gms, rsh/pss att 1237, rsh yds 4233 pss 1985 tot 6218 rsh tds 21 pss 8 total 29, fum 12
D Will: 61 gms rsh/pss att 809, rsh yds 3829 pss 569 tot 4398, rsh td's 33 pss 2 total 35 fum 4
M Tur: 59 gms rsh/pss att 1229, rsh yds 5281 pss 329 tot 5610 rsh td's 50 pss 0, tot 50, fum 12
Gore: 55 gms rsh/pss att 1112 rsh yds 4220 pss 1345 tot 5565 rsh td's 27, pss 7 tot 34, fum 16
Rice: 61 gms rsh/pss att 1209 rsh yds 4377 pss 2235 tot 6612 rsh td's 24 pss 6 tot 29, fum 6
MJD: 62 gms rsh/pss att 1343 rsh yds 5145, pss 1630 tot 6775 rsh td's 40 pss 8 tot 48 fum 15
Jamal:49 gms rsh/pss att 616 rsh yds 3027, pss 1046 tot 4073 rsh td's 12 pss td's 6 total 18, fum 8.
McC*: 46 gms rsh/pss att 801 rsh yds 3026, pss 1215, tot 4241 rsh td's 28 pss 5 tot 33 fum 5
* McCoy's the only one not in the league in the last 4 years. Btw, last year was his break out TD year w/20 before that he was right in the range of Forte.
I see what you mean Ric. It doesn't get any closer than that. What's really interesting is that the top 3 guys in total Rice, MJD, and Forte are either tagged or in MJD's case a holdout. The Jacksonville GM has stated that they will not renegotiate his contract and I only half believe that.
I guess between Rice and Forte whoever comes to an agreement first will set a current benchmark for the other. They're that close and while both are high yardage guys neither has been a top scorer when compared to some of the others. These two deals should prove interesting.
The Raven are not big spenders either and if Jacksonville plays hardball with MJD this may be the start of a reversal in the trend of escalating RB deals that was touched off by that stupid deal Carolina gave DWill last years. But if the Ravens offer $20 mil in guarantees to Rice and Jacksonville caves on MJD the Bears will be hard pressed to sign Forte. He'll play for the tag and hope he can get a better deal next year.
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I give Rice a slight edge over Forte. He can be a bowling ball at times.
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I won't argue to much for one or the other, but again I'll point out that Rice wasn't near the scorer that Forte was until he had the best FB in the league leading the way for him. I'd be happy w/both backs on my team
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Last 2 years, there was a difference between Rice and Forte when it comes to TDs.
do you think this will change with the Bears adding a good passing game and Ravens still have Leach?
They will get for what they are going to do in the future. Both are similar but Rice has a slight edge on his side. Not much and both are Top10.
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Last two years? Last year they added the best FB in the NFL to run blocks for Rice..there's your difference. Last year he had 50% of his TD's.
Actually I see the Bears Adding TD's as a team, I don't believe that will correlate into less TD's for Forte. If we go from averaging 24 points to 32(picking random #'s) pts each game that's an extra 16 td's minimum.
Is Forte going to get less touches total, yes, that doesn't mean his production will go down though b/c the D's will not be able to focus on Forte. You have to double Marshal, you have to single Jefferies and Hester, that's instantly opens up more holes for Forte. He already is a big play back, and the first DB tends to get shrugged off, now he'll be even farther down field when he gets those DB's hitting him.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01
Last two years? Last year they added the best FB in the NFL to run blocks for Rice..there's your difference. Last year he had 50% of his TD's.
And? You still have to hit the hole. The ball doesn't just run by itself you know. You could have Leach in front of Forte and he still wouldn't get intot he endzone. Some RBs are simply not good inside the 10. No putting the ball in the endzone inside that 10 is Forte's weakness. He simply has not improved in that area and probably never will.
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WHAT?!?!?!? THEY HAVE THE SAME TD's; up until last year Forte HAD MORE TD's! IE he was getting over the goalline MORE THEN Rice. The difference? Leach. You really think that if Forte didn't have a FB like Leach leading the way he wouldn't have more td's?
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