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    Who's the Better RB, Ray Rice vs Matt Forte Comparison.............

    Is Matt Forte or Ray Rice the more superior running back?

    • By Bucky Brooks NFL.com
    • Analyst
    • Published: June 6, 2012 at 04:11 p.m.
    • Updated: June 7, 2012 at 06:22 p.m.




    Associated Press
    Ray Rice (left) and Matt Forte have both rushed for more than 4,000 yards in their first four years in the NFL.

    The running back position has been devalued around the NFL, but there are still a handful of runners capable of putting the fortunes of a franchise on their backs. In Chicago and Baltimore, respectively, the presence of Matt Forte and Ray Rice in the backfield have kept those franchises in contention despite glaring weaknesses in their offensive lineups.


    The 26-year-old Forte is coming off the best season of his four-year career. He topped the 1,000-yard mark for the second time in his career despite missing the final four games of the season with a knee injury. He posted career bests in yards per carry (4.9) and runs of 20-plus yards (12), while ranking eighth in yards per game average (83.1). Those numbers are remarkable production for a feature runner previously playing for a pass-first offensive coordinator (Mike Martz) and a makeshift offensive line.


    Rice, 25, is also coming off the best season of his career. He finished second in the NFL in rushing (1,364), while surpassing the 1,000-yard mark for the third consecutive season. He also posted career bests in runs of 40-plus yards (5), rushing touchdowns (12) and yards per game (85.2). Impressive numbers for a runner who rarely receives 20-plus carries as the feature back.


    With Forte and Rice entering the primes of their respective careers, let's match them up in five critical categories to see who is the better running back:
    Athleticism

    Forte's smooth running style overshadows his athleticism, but he shows impressive quickness and burst for a big back. He gets to top speed quickly in the hole and flashes the burst to run away from defenders at the second level. Forte also displays balance, body control and agility elude defenders in tight quarters. As a result, he routinely breaks off big runs on off-tackle plays and is emerging as one of the most difficult runners to bring down in space.


    Rice is an explosive athlete with speed and quickness. Although he is not a blazer by track and field standards, Rice excels at running away from defenders in a 40-yard box. He shows burst, acceleration and quickness exploding through the hole, and is a dynamic runner in a short area. In addition, Rice displays agility and lateral quickness eluding pursuing defenders in traffic. He is an excellent stop-start runner with the balance and body control to make defenders miss in the hole. Though other runners might possess more pure speed, there are few runners capable of rivaling Rice's combination of burst, agility and quickness.


    Advantage: Rice



    Instincts


    Forte doesn't get enough credit for being one of the NFL's elite runners. However, he is one of the best in the business at finding creases beyond the line of scrimmage. Part of his success can be attributed to his combination of vision and instincts. He is a natural cutback runner with a knack for finding creases at the line of scrimmage. Forte's combination of vision, instincts and anticipation is superb, and he rarely takes a solid shot from defenders in the hole. With a crafty running style that results in few big hits on the body, it is not surprising Forte has been one of the NFL's most reliable backs since entering the league.


    Rice is a hard-nosed downhill runner ideally suited to play in the Ravens' zone-based scheme. He attacks the hole with his shoulders square, but displays the agility and lateral quickness to avoid unblocked defenders in the backfield. Rice's ability to avoid defenders in the hole is remarkable, and he routinely finds a way to generate positive runs despite facing stacked defenses at the point of attack. With few runners capable of rivaling Rice's elusiveness, power and agility, it is not a coincidence he has ranked among the league leaders in rushing yards each of the past three seasons.


    Advantage: Rice


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    Elite runners consistently produce big runs on the ground, and few are better at delivering explosive plays than Forte. He ranked second in the NFL in the both explosive run categories (Forte finished with 12 runs of 20-plus yards and four runs of 40-plus yards), and posted a gaudy 4.9-yard average as a result. Part of Forte's success is due to his exceptional ability to set up his blocks down the field with nifty moves in the open field. He bobs and weaves at the second level to get defenders out of position, and finds a way to use receivers as a shield down the field to turn 10-yard gains into home runs.


    Rice looks like grinder at first glance, but he flashes explosiveness and burst beyond the line of scrimmage. He attacks linebackers and safeties with his quickness and agility, and routinely finds a way to break off big runs on inside plays. Although he lacks the long speed to take it the distance with consistency, Rice led the NFL with five runs of 40-plus yards and remains a dangerous playmaker in space.


    Advantage: Forte



    Versatility

    The proliferation of the passing game in the NFL has changed the job description of running backs. Feature backs are expected to contribute in the passing game, and the elite players have the skills to run routes from the backfield, slot or a wide alignment. Forte earns high marks in all categories as a receiver and the Bears are taking advantage of his unique skill set by routinely getting him the ball in space. In the clip to the right from the Bears' Week 1 matchup against the Atlanta Falcons, Forte is cleverly targeted on a run fake before leaking to the flat on a screen pass. Although the Falcons appear to have the play defended well, Forte's combination of hands and open-field running skills turns a five-yard gain into a 56-yard touchdown.


    Rice is just as productive as a playmaker in the passing game. He is capable of running the entire route tree from his backfield spot, and his quickness gives opponents problems in the open field. The Ravens capitalize on his skills by frequently getting him the ball quickly in space on an assortment of angle and circle routes from an offset position. Rice routinely runs away from defenders in tight coverage, and his ability to thrive as a safety valve in the passing game enables Joe Flacco to play at a high level when his top receivers are covered.


    Advantage: Forte



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    A player's worth can't be solely judged based off his statistics, but numbers matter when it comes to defining players as franchise-caliber talents. In using that scale to evaluate Forte, it is hard to dispute his worth to the Bears. He has consistently ranked among the league leaders in total yards from scrimmage during his tenure, and his ability to amass 4,233 rush yards behind a porous offensive line reveals his greatness. In addition, he has played with a marginally talented receiving corps, which has allowed teams to routinely employ eight-man fronts to limit his effectiveness. To combat those tactics, the Bears have made Forte an integral part of their passing game, leading to an impressive 223 receptions for the running back over a four-year period.


    Rice's numbers also stand out when considering the lack of talent surrounding him at the skill positions. With the exception of Anquan Boldin, Rice is the Ravens' lone offensive weapon. He carries the load as a runner, but also makes key contributions as a receiver. He has surpassed the 75-catch mark in two of the past three seasons, and posted three straight 1,000-yard seasons as the team's feature back. As the No.1 option for a perennial title contender, Rice would be hard-pressed to produce more as a playmaker in the backfield.


    Advantage: Rice



    Conclusion

    After spending a ton of time studying both players, I'm absolutely convinced both guys are worthy of being considered elite players at the position. They make contributions in every aspect and their consistency is what you want as an evaluator. If I had to choose one to star on my team, I would lean toward Rice because of his slight edge in overall production, but it is hard to go wrong with either player as the designated workhorse in a pro-style offense.


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    I agree and give Rice the advantage.

    He puts the ball over the line, Forte doesn't.

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    4 years: Forte 29 TD's Rice 29 TD's. So how does Forte not put the ball over the line and yet Rice does? Guess Rice is a big ol bag of suck too huh German

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    Quote Originally Posted by GermansbombedPH View Post
    I agree and give Rice the advantage.

    He puts the ball over the line, Forte doesn't.

    Two backs with completely different styles but you bring up a good point GbPH. Forte's not a big time scorer. He's a cutback runner with a long stride but there are few if any cutback lanes down on the goaline and he's not a good runner between the tackles. Rice is.

    But each one of them is effective in his own way within the offenses they play in. Both are top ten backs. It should be interesting to see if the Ravens get Rice re-signed and what his deal looks like. The Ravens aren't free spenders either so if he gets $20 mil in guarantees that will make it pretty hard for the Bears to reason out that they should pay less.
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    I'll again reiterate, they have the EXACT same TD's as eachother. Rice also had the luxury of running behind(what is considered) the best FB last year and Rice credited him w/this great season.

    I agree both are two different backs in 2 different systems, but are top 5-10 rb's. but to think one as prolific in scoring and the other to struggle at it is assinine when they both have the same td's.

    Forte: 60 gms, rsh/pss att 1237, rsh yds 4233 pss 1985 tot 6218 rsh tds 21 pss 8 total 29, fum 12
    D Will: 61 gms rsh/pss att 809, rsh yds 3829 pss 569 tot 4398, rsh td's 33 pss 2 total 35 fum 4
    M Tur: 59 gms rsh/pss att 1229, rsh yds 5281 pss 329 tot 5610 rsh td's 50 pss 0, tot 50, fum 12
    Gore: 55 gms rsh/pss att 1112 rsh yds 4220 pss 1345 tot 5565 rsh td's 27, pss 7 tot 34, fum 16
    Rice: 61 gms rsh/pss att 1209 rsh yds 4377 pss 2235 tot 6612 rsh td's 24 pss 6 tot 29, fum 6
    MJD: 62 gms rsh/pss att 1343 rsh yds 5145, pss 1630 tot 6775 rsh td's 40 pss 8 tot 48 fum 15
    Jamal:49 gms rsh/pss att 616 rsh yds 3027, pss 1046 tot 4073 rsh td's 12 pss td's 6 total 18, fum 8.
    McC*: 46 gms rsh/pss att 801 rsh yds 3026, pss 1215, tot 4241 rsh td's 28 pss 5 tot 33 fum 5
    * McCoy's the only one not in the league in the last 4 years. Btw, last year was his break out TD year w/20 before that he was right in the range of Forte.
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    My point was that Matt Forte isn't a good short yardage or goaline back not that he's the lesser of the two in scoring. That's a fact. He isn't and it's because of his running style. Rice's style is more effective between the tackles than Forte's. That's the main difference between the two.

    I don't watch Ray Rice enough to know how well he does in those situations so I can't comment on that but I do know that Forte isn't very good at it because I have watched him. Both backs had good lead blockers but Forte actually was more productive out of a one back set. That's not surprising. Most cutback runners are. It's also the running style that makes him a poor short yardage guy.

    I guess the way I was looking at it wasn't to compare the number of TD's each had as much as to say Matt Forte isn't a prolific scorer compared to some other backs. That's true, he's not, but that's not what separates these two if anything really separates them at all. As far as the Bears offense is concerned I'd rather have Forte.
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    Well Rice had 15 of his 29 TD's last year, and had Vonta Leach running FB for him(another top 100 player btw). I think it's safe to say that a FB leading the way for him helped give him his career year in TD's(which he admitted too during the Vonta top 100 section).

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    No doubt. Baltimore runs him between the tackles using Leach as a lead blocker far more than the Bears did with Forte and Clutts. That's not Matt's strong suit. Undoubtedly having Leach as a blocker contributed to Rice's ability to score especially in close. But with or without a lead blocker Forte just isn't that good on 3rd and two or down on the goaline. Cutback runners seldom are because there usually aren't any cutback lanes when the defense can stack the box with 8 or 9 guys.

    Maybe Brooks sees Rice as the better all around player. I don't necessarily agree with him. As long as you team Forte with a big back who can run it up the gut with some power he's a better fit for the Bears. As far as deciding which one of them should rank higher in the top ten than the other to me it's so close between a half dozen of them, Rice included, that it's pretty much a tossup.
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    If you're looking for "fit" I don't think many teams will complain about who they have, regarding the top backs. Rice fits the Balt need perfectly. Forte has shown he also fits what the Bears are looking for. He's a 3 if not 4 town back(minus short yardage) b/c of ability to block and catch out of the backfield.

    I think it's hard to say if he'd be a good shortyardage/goaline guy if you had a guy like Leech blocking for him; but most teams don't run that system so it's really moot. I was just pointing it out b/c there is a myth that Forte doesn't score b/c he's not good at the goalline. Well fact is he scores at a slightly less pace then most other backs, and does it w/out goaline carries, meaning he's scoring from farther out then other backs tend to.

    His short yardage/goalline are indeffensable, he's not great at it, but he's a fine scorer and a top reason why other backs have gotten to score at the goaline.

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    If you're looking for "fit" I don't think many teams will complain about who they have, regarding the top backs. Rice fits the Balt need perfectly. Forte has shown he also fits what the Bears are looking for. He's a 3 if not 4 town back(minus short yardage) b/c of ability to block and catch out of the backfield.

    I think it's hard to say if he'd be a good shortyardage/goaline guy if you had a guy like Leech blocking for him; but most teams don't run that system so it's really moot. I was just pointing it out b/c there is a myth that Forte doesn't score b/c he's not good at the goalline. Well fact is he scores at a slightly less pace then most other backs, and does it w/out goaline carries, meaning he's scoring from farther out then other backs tend to.

    His short yardage/goalline are indeffensable, he's not great at it, but he's a fine scorer and a top reason why other backs have gotten to score at the goaline.
    Yeah, can't argue with any of this. And yes I should have said that Forte is probably more of a big play back. He does do a lot of his scoring that way. An average of 7 td's per year doesn't make him a terrible scorer but it does make him more average when compared to some of the other backs.

    The home run hitters in baseball make the big dollars over the hit for average guys and in football it's the guys who can score that have an advantage over the yardage guys and usually get a fatter paycheck. But as all around RB's go Matt Forte is one of the best in the NFL.
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