Thread: Would You Do This Trade?

Originally Posted by 4DaBERS

Wow guys, I understand the love for Devin, but I'm not sure why you're coming down so hard on bmarshall. Devin has NOT shown himself to be better than an adequate WR in the NFL, even though he is a HOF return guy. Joe Haden is a VERY good CB and was a top 10 pick of the Brown in 2012. I guess I have to ask everyone, would you have traded Devin before the 2012 draft for a top 10 pick? I would have and I wouldn't even hesitate.

I guess the real question is that which has already been asked above, why would the Brown even consider this? BMarshall, what is your motivation for this question? Do you know this kid and just want to see him in a Bear uni or something? It's just kind of an out-of-the blue name to hit us with, but it certainly isn't a dumb idea, just curious. Why would the Browns want to get rid of a kid that is becoming a lock-down corner with 3 years left on his rookie contract and no significant injuries that I'm aware of?

I think the main reason for not doing it would be that on the Bears Hester is a more valuable player. Most of the time were in zone coverage where a great cover man isn't needs as much as a player who can tackle and play run support. Both Peanut and Jennings are good at that.

Hester is a game breaker. He can demoralize teams with one big play. As cautious as teams are about kicking to him he always gets a shot and when he does he knows what to do with it. Even when he doesn't return one for a score he still returns a lot of them for good yardage and gives up good field position. He's not tradeable because we'd never get enough for him to justify letting him go. Overall he's just too valuable.

Sometimes the threat of something (Hester) is far greater than the actuality of it. If the guy did in fact become a true shutdown CB there might be a somewhat negative effect in that teams would look to exploit and concentrate on other vulnerabilities in the secondary. Whereas if you spread out just perhaps general weaknesses (not vulnerabilities) you can hide deficiencies more effectively with multiple personnel.

With Hester making someone always account, always spy, and ST coaches always work means strategic gains in other areas as there's only so much time and energy to work and gameplan. in my opinion so I'd say NO to that trade.

Yea, I understand the concept of limited value of CB's in our Cover-2, and to a certain extent, I agree with it, but I'm not all in. I certainly wouldn't spend a kings ransom for this type of Corner in FA. I also understand the value of Devin's ability and I love watching him, but he's going to be 30 this season. But here's the deal, we really are not in the Cover-2 that often anymore, and we happen to be in a Division with an increasing amount of aerial weapons. A good cover corner, even in a cover-2 can help a lot, and Peanut himself is not getting any younger. I think we sometimes take his ability for granted. Good Corners that can cover the caliber of WR's and QB's that we see every year, whether their specialty is zone or man, can be hard to find.

Ah, it's really a moot point. Devin will likely retire a Bear and I'm fine with that; I love the guy. While the original question was kind of out of the blue, I just didn't think it was as "ridiculous" (see what I did there...a post about Devin, eh, eh) toward the Bears side as was being discussed. In my opinion, unless Kelvin Hayden can handle the job, I still think our Bears are going to need to address the corner position with some better talent next year. There were many that mocked us taking CB in the first THIS year.

Let's also keep in mind something else. I think Devin Hesters success in the return game is the direct result of his extraordinary talents, married with the extraordinary talent of his ST coach (Dave Toub). We have other guys that have done very well in the return game under Toub, so losing Devin would not be a death blow to our Special Teams. I really don't think we'll ever see another Devin Hester, but I don't think he or Toub would have the success that now enjoy without each other. They would both be VERY good on their own, but together they have built a HOF career.

Devin might be turning 30 but there isn't much injury to him and a ton of miles left if you asked me. Plus Toub has arguably gotten from Emery even more pieces to ST. Who knows, Devin could have one of his most explosive seasons ever. Even if he doesn't all the pressure and accountability he puts on other teams isn't duplicated in as many areas as he covers.

Originally Posted by short faced bear

Devin might be turning 30 but there isn't much injury to him and a ton of miles left if you asked me. Plus Toub has arguably gotten from Emery even more pieces to ST. Who knows, Devin could have one of his most explosive seasons ever. Even if he doesn't all the pressure and accountability he puts on other teams isn't duplicated in as many areas as he covers.

Very true. I hope you are right about one of his most explosive years, not just for the team, but for him. I mean, comon, how can anyone not love Devin. The kid is a team player, humble, supportive, all the good things you want in a team mate. I hope this season he blows the freakin doors off the records he already has.

Well for it to even warrant this much discussion you'd have to assume the Browns, who have a great return man themselves in Joshua Cribbs, would even consider a trade like this. I'd say that would be very very doubtful. Why give up a good young CB who was a top ten pick for Hester? Makes no sense.

Then you have to look at the Bears interest in Haden. Despite the fact that we may play less Cover-2 it's still our base defensive package and even good cover corners aren't always good players in zone coverage. We found that out with Bowman. Then I'd look at his size. At less than 6' and 190lbs he's not exactly a big CB so that makes him worth less to us.

And finally although he had 6 picks in 7 starts in 2010 he had none in 16 starts last year. That may be because teams threw to his side less but it also doesn't make him the turnover machine Lovie expects from his DB's. So overall I'd say it would be a bad trade for both teams.

I'd rather trade Forte for a really good LT like Joe Thomas but that won't happen either.

Ok if we had the resources it might be pretty scary w/Cribbs and Hester. I know, crazy right

Originally Posted by short faced bear

Ok if we had the resources it might be pretty scary w/Cribbs and Hester. I know, crazy right

In addition to being a ST Gunner Weems is a damn good return man. He was the pro bowl ST guy ahead of Graham in 2010 and that kid we drafted in the 7th round, McCoy, was an All American KR at TCU. I think we've got that base covered even without Hester returning kicks.