Facebook Twitter

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 14

Thread: Chicago Fumbled Chance For Super Bowls Long Ago...........

  1. #1
    Mello Jello soulman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    PEYTON'S PLACE
    Posts
    22,789
    Bear Bucks
    39,314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    1
    Items Captain Morgan
Gift received at 11-07-2012, 07:28 AM from GermansbombedPH
Message: Better than that soap water guniessTequilla
Gift received at 09-22-2012, 10:24 AM from Riczaj01
Message: downhere in Northern Mexico(aka San Antonio Texas), we tend to share this....not my personal favorite, but I'm definately in the minority.Trophy
Gift received at 01-30-2012, 01:48 PM from Dagan81
Message: Because you're the best God damn poster on this message board!  And, a true friend at that!9599

    Chicago Fumbled Chance For Super Bowls Long Ago...........

    Did Chicago botch Super Bowl chances with McDome fiasco?

    1 critic blames politicians for scuttling plans for large multi-use stadium


    Fred Mitchell 6:50 p.m. CDT, June 15, 2012


    Most longtime Bears fans think their team should have won more than one Super Bowl by now.

    Marc Ganis, president of the Chicago-based consulting firm SportsCorp Ltd., tells me Chicago should have been host to multiple Super Bowls by now if the idea of a domed stadium hadn't been treated like a political football.



    "Had Chicago and Illinois built the McDome (in 1996), the original domed stadium planned for next to McCormick Place, I suspect we would have had at least two Super Bowls already," Ganis said.

    "It was extremely short-sighted; it was extremely narrow focus. … It would have cost (less than what it eventually) cost simply to upgrade Soldier Field. It would have been a terrific financial and tourism boost for the city."

    The reported estimated cost was $500 million. The cost for renovating Soldier Field in 2002-03 was $680 million, according to Ganis, and the capacity was reduced to a league-low 61,500. A domed stadium also might have attracted NCAA Final Fours and other events of national significance.

    "You have a Republican governor (James Edgar) and a Democratic mayor (Richard M. Daley). (They) didn't always see eye-to-eye, especially on McCormick Place," Ganis said. "There was always this issue that McCormick Place was jointly controlled (by the city and state), but the park district was controlled by City Hall entirely. That turf battle was the key reason the McDome plan didn't go forward."

    Ganis said he spoke to NFL officials last month about the feasibility of Chicago being host to a Super Bowl. Super Bowl XLVIII will be at MetLife Stadium (capacity 82,566) in East Rutherford, N.J., on Feb. 2, 2014.

    "The capacity is a big issue … so whenever they go (down to around 70,000 capacity) it is a real problem," Ganis said.

    I asked Ganis, who has been involved in many projects, such as the new Yankee Stadium, about the feasibility of expanding Soldier Field to accommodate a Super Bowl.

    "Very expensive, but with enough money, anything is do-able," he said. "The problem of increasing the capacity is that one of the strengths of Soldier Field is its intimacy. It's great for Bears fans who go to the games. But because of the compactness … the columns being where they are, the scoreboards in the two end zones, it leaves very little space for even temporary seating expansion.

    "If New York goes very well, then I think the league will be open to looking at more (Northern) open-air Super Bowls. My guess is Washington (would be next) with a stadium that could be 100,000-plus seats, 300-plus suites.

    "(A Super Bowl) would be great for Chicago," Ganis said. "I travel internationally a great deal (for business) and when people see Chicago, they are impressed by it. So what Chicago needs is visibility."

    NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was asked during a recent visit to our city about the possibility of Chicago being host to a Super Bowl.

    "Let us get to the point of submitting a bid and taking a look to see what needs to get done to make it a winning bid," Goodell said.

    fmitchell@tribune.com
    I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.



    Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.


  2. BEAR DOWN! Henry Burris say BEAR DOWN!
  • #2
    Specialist Henry Burris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    15,501
    Bear Bucks
    17,831
    Post Thanks / Like
    Items Trophy
Gift received at 11-03-2011, 03:39 PM from JC23JC23Bears Head Logo
Gift received at 11-02-2011, 07:50 PM from JC23JC23Pitcher O Beer!
Gift received at 10-30-2011, 04:47 PM from GermansbombedPHUsername Bold
Gift received at 05-16-2011, 12:54 PM from BearStuffUsername Bold
Gift received at 03-01-2011, 09:34 AM from dabears54
    I know it's not popular, but I've always preferred a dome (either like Houston's but more like Dallas' which is ****** amazing) because sloppy, muddy football just isn't as interesting, especially with the way the rules are now.


  • #3
    World Series Dreaming
    The Benjamin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Schaumburg, IL
    Posts
    42,023
    Bear Bucks
    6,411
    Post Thanks / Like
    Items 46Gale SayersWalter PaytonTrophy
Gift received at 10-18-2011, 08:55 PM from 4th and 26
Message: Here to the FF champ.  lolUsername Bold
Gift received at 06-22-2011, 02:03 PM from soulman
    As long as it wasn't called McDome I could have lived with it.

  • BEAR DOWN! Henry Burris say BEAR DOWN!
  • #4
    Specialist Henry Burris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    15,501
    Bear Bucks
    17,831
    Post Thanks / Like
    Items Trophy
Gift received at 11-03-2011, 03:39 PM from JC23JC23Bears Head Logo
Gift received at 11-02-2011, 07:50 PM from JC23JC23Pitcher O Beer!
Gift received at 10-30-2011, 04:47 PM from GermansbombedPHUsername Bold
Gift received at 05-16-2011, 12:54 PM from BearStuffUsername Bold
Gift received at 03-01-2011, 09:34 AM from dabears54
    Quote Originally Posted by The Benjamin View Post
    As long as it wasn't called McDome I could have lived with it.
    If that would've made them think that drafting McClown would be cheesy afterwards(Like Joe Theismann changing the pronunciation of his last name for his Heisman campaign), I'd do it!!!


  • #5
    Mello Jello soulman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    PEYTON'S PLACE
    Posts
    22,789
    Bear Bucks
    39,314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    1
    Items Captain Morgan
Gift received at 11-07-2012, 07:28 AM from GermansbombedPH
Message: Better than that soap water guniessTequilla
Gift received at 09-22-2012, 10:24 AM from Riczaj01
Message: downhere in Northern Mexico(aka San Antonio Texas), we tend to share this....not my personal favorite, but I'm definately in the minority.Trophy
Gift received at 01-30-2012, 01:48 PM from Dagan81
Message: Because you're the best God damn poster on this message board!  And, a true friend at that!9599
    I think the real political problem was that Daley wanted the stadium named after him.

    He wanted to call it the Daley Dome, so we'd could call it the "Big Dick" for short.
    I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.



    Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.


  • #6
    Senior Member blinddeafmute's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    23,783
    Bear Bucks
    40,835
    Trophies
    Post Thanks / Like
    Items Band-Aid
Gift received at 03-15-2012, 04:35 PM from JC23JC23
Message: for the bloodCaptain Morgan
Gift received at 10-18-2011, 08:48 PM from loki520Username Bold
Gift received at 01-02-2011, 03:33 AM from JC23JC23Username Bold
Gift received at 12-30-2010, 01:25 PM from BearStuff
    Fuck domes!

  • #7
    Member omc1969's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Northern Wisconsin
    Posts
    588
    Bear Bucks
    9,868
    Post Thanks / Like
    Not as much a question of a dome but rather that of seating capacity. That's where they dropped the ball. Chicago will never see a S.B. as long as they have the smallest stadium in the league IMHO.

  • #8
    Mello Jello soulman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    PEYTON'S PLACE
    Posts
    22,789
    Bear Bucks
    39,314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    1
    Items Captain Morgan
Gift received at 11-07-2012, 07:28 AM from GermansbombedPH
Message: Better than that soap water guniessTequilla
Gift received at 09-22-2012, 10:24 AM from Riczaj01
Message: downhere in Northern Mexico(aka San Antonio Texas), we tend to share this....not my personal favorite, but I'm definately in the minority.Trophy
Gift received at 01-30-2012, 01:48 PM from Dagan81
Message: Because you're the best God damn poster on this message board!  And, a true friend at that!9599
    Quote Originally Posted by omc1969 View Post
    Not as much a question of a dome but rather that of seating capacity. That's where they dropped the ball. Chicago will never see a S.B. as long as they have the smallest stadium in the league IMHO.
    Yeah the guy from the NFL made that pretty clear when he said that anywhere near 70,000 or below is a real problem and I can see that. Didn't they pack 100,000 into Dallas' stadium and still have problems accommodating people because of obstructed views.

    If the event was limited to just football fans maybe smaller stadiums would work but it's not. It's one of those sporting/social events of the year just like The Kentucky Derby where it's the place to see and be seen. The average football fan can't afford to go so it becomes part week for the rich and famous.

    Given what a couple of Super Bowls might have meant economically in hindsight it was pretty stupid not to have had that as a consideration but as I recall if it wasn't for Ted Phillips finally getting the deal done the Bears might be playing in Schaumburg (Benji would like that), Joliet, or Northwestern Indiana.

    Typical Illinois politics. It's like two kids fighting over a toy. The toy breaks and neither of them get what they want. I've never been in the new Soldier Field but from the looks of it it's great for spectators. But unlike Lambeau Field, which is also a great place to see a game, I can't see how they could ever expand it to any great degree.

    So Goodell becomes the NFL's version of the Jerry Seinfeld's "Soup Nazi". "No Super Bowl for you!"
    I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.



    Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.


  • #9
    Senior Member Blue Horse-shoe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    South suburbs
    Posts
    1,703
    Bear Bucks
    13,101
    Post Thanks / Like
    Items Old StyleBears C57Brian Piccolo6
    In addition to factors already mentioned , the possibility of a giant snowstorm has to be a huge negative. I don't think there will ever be a SB in Chi ( unless enough plams get greased well enough ) but still .... too many hurdles.
    What should you call any : Fumble , Hold , Interception , Three and out , or Sack ?

    A " F.H.I.T.S " ? or a J'Marcus ?

  • #10
    Member Rogelio's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    319
    Bear Bucks
    7,852
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Yeah the guy from the NFL made that pretty clear when he said that anywhere near 70,000 or below is a real problem and I can see that. Didn't they pack 100,000 into Dallas' stadium and still have problems accommodating people because of obstructed views.

    If the event was limited to just football fans maybe smaller stadiums would work but it's not. It's one of those sporting/social events of the year just like The Kentucky Derby where it's the place to see and be seen. The average football fan can't afford to go so it becomes part week for the rich and famous.

    Given what a couple of Super Bowls might have meant economically in hindsight it was pretty stupid not to have had that as a consideration ...
    Forgetting a possible SB, the small capacity was stupid just for the Bears alone. The Bears could EASILY sell 80,000 tickets to every game, and maybe 85-90,000. That they settled for 60 something, and a design where it is extremely difficult to add seats in the future, was not a good choice. However, they had to go along with what Daley wanted or they wouldn't have gotten a stadium built in Chicago.

  • Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •