2011 Oline Stats - Interesting

**JustAnotherBearsFan99** · 06-25-2012, 02:34 PM

This is from NFL.com.

I added a column to include sacks+hits and sorted it from least to the most (sacks = hits)

						Rush Total					Rush Left				Rush Center				Rush Right
Rank	Team	Sacks & Hits	Exp	Att	Yds	Avg	TDs	1st	Neg	+10Y	Pwr	1st	Neg	+10Y	Pwr	1st	Neg	+10Y	Pwr	Sacks	QB Hits
1	New Orleans Saints	75	233	431	2,127	4.9	16	41	8	24	60	25	6	8	93	50	17	23	43	24	51
2	Tennessee Titans	79	427	376	1,438	3.8	8	32	19	21	67	11	8	5	67	27	16	13	83	24	55
3	Cincinnati Bengals	85	330	455	1,778	3.9	10	49	20	21	62	10	5	5	100	34	20	16	36	25	60
4	San Diego Chargers	87	302	436	1,864	4.3	16	27	10	25	75	46	7	19	71	23	10	11	64	30	57
5	Oakland Raiders	91	312	466	2,110	4.5	16	53	21	31	63	32	10	13	68	25	8	15	71	25	66
6	Buffalo Bills	92	154	391	1,921	4.9	12	29	12	20	50	41	8	17	65	29	12	13	60	23	69
7	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	96	403	346	1,458	4.2	9	20	19	10	80	26	7	11	67	28	11	14	60	32	64
8	Carolina Panthers	100	380	445	2,408	5.4	26	59	15	38	80	43	9	14	67	37	8	22	70	35	65
9	New York Giants	100	496	411	1,427	3.5	17	34	13	11	64	9	5	4	25	41	21	18	52	28	72
10	Houston Texans	101	340	546	2,448	4.5	18	47	23	25	62	21	8	15	67	62	22	33	64	33	68
11	New England Patriots	103	463	438	1,764	4	18	47	13	21	60	24	4	5	50	36	11	13	79	32	71
12	Philadelphia Eagles	104	254	450	2,276	5.1	20	56	23	35	83	35	14	19	38	43	19	28	83	32	72
13	Kansas City Chiefs	108	399	487	1,893	3.9	5	40	12	24	73	30	12	11	63	19	28	10	43	34	74
14	Denver Broncos	110	215	546	2,632	4.8	11	36	12	22	67	44	19	24	54	49	12	34	56	42	68
15	New York Jets	110	369	443	1,692	3.8	14	22	15	13	100	31	5	7	60	39	12	14	55	40	70
16	Atlanta Falcons	110	370	453	1,834	4	14	42	20	25	67	17	11	9	33	41	28	19	75	26	84
17	Baltimore Ravens	111	494	459	1,996	4.3	15	38	12	21	65	20	5	5	60	40	16	19	63	33	78
18	Green Bay Packers	114	204	395	1,558	3.9	12	25	12	8	75	21	5	9	60	41	18	23	56	41	73
19	Detroit Lions	114	523	356	1,523	4.3	9	22	10	10	57	25	9	14	54	24	9	17	40	36	78
20	Indianapolis Colts	116	379	382	1,594	4.2	8	20	10	11	75	26	13	11	31	23	13	17	71	35	81
21	Pittsburgh Steelers	119	202	434	1,903	4.4	13	21	10	14	83	26	10	10	60	49	19	25	43	42	77
22	Jacksonville Jaguars	120	310	489	1,970	4	9	32	18	20	57	45	10	21	81	25	16	10	46	44	76
23	Dallas Cowboys	120	252	408	1,807	4.4	5	37	12	19	45	31	11	13	78	23	12	6	50	39	81
24	Cleveland Browns	122	231	415	1,531	3.7	4	34	16	17	67	20	0	4	75	23	14	8	44	39	83
25	Minnesota Vikings	125	389	448	2,318	5.2	18	47	22	27	75	31	18	21	60	40	13	27	83	49	76
26	San Francisco 49ers	126	275	498	2,044	4.1	14	44	25	26	57	22	11	10	44	35	22	20	55	44	82
27	Chicago Bears	136	299	456	2,015	4.4	10	47	18	26	54	9	3	5	100	40	35	27	63	49	87
28	Arizona Cardinals	140	346	389	1,625	4.2	12	38	13	15	62	17	8	5	57	28	10	11	80	54	86
29	Miami Dolphins	147	358	469	1,987	4.2	11	35	12	23	64	24	12	16	38	30	15	19	45	52	95
30	Washington Redskins	149	209	400	1,614	4	8	45	17	20	64	10	6	4	67	24	11	16	50	41	108
31	Seattle Seahawks	164	174	444	1,756	4	15	37	17	22	67	20	3	5	90	31	25	16	71	50	114
32	St. Louis Rams	169	266	409	1,667	4.1	7	34	15	16	50	18	11	11	50	27	20	20	43	55	114

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**JustAnotherBearsFan99** · 06-25-2012, 02:57 PM

LINK to the NFL.com data

Here's how the teams ended the regular season in W/L's

	NFL Team	W	L
1	*- Green Bay Packers	15	1
2	*- New England Patriots	13	3
3	z- New Orleans Saints	13	3
4	z- San Francisco 49ers	13	3
5	z- Baltimore Ravens	12	4
6	y- Pittsburgh Steelers	12	4
7	y- Atlanta Falcons	10	6
8	y- Detroit Lions	10	6
9	z- Houston Texans	10	6
10	y- Cincinnati Bengals	9	7
11	z- New York Giants	9	7
12	Tennessee Titans	9	7
13	Arizona Cardinals	8	8
14	Chicago Bears	8	8
15	Dallas Cowboys	8	8
16	z- Denver Broncos	8	8
17	New York Jets	8	8
18	Oakland Raiders	8	8
19	Philadelphia Eagles	8	8
20	San Diego Chargers	8	8
21	Kansas City Chiefs	7	9
22	Seattle Seahawks	7	9
23	Buffalo Bills	6	10
24	Carolina Panthers	6	10
25	Miami Dolphins	6	10
26	Jacksonville Jaguars	5	11
27	Washington Redskins	5	11
28	Cleveland Browns	4	12
29	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	4	12
30	Minnesota Vikings	3	13
31	Indianapolis Colts	2	14
32	St. Louis Rams	2	14

**JustAnotherBearsFan99** · 06-25-2012, 03:09 PM

A couple of team's stats really jump out at you. New Orleans has a fantastic oline, and that shows up in the statistics, yet some teams, like San Francisco, were as bad statistically as the Bears, yet they did pretty well.

And really, when you consider the entire range of sack/hit data, the difference between the best and worst, was significant, but not crazy-different. The best team gave up 4.7 sack/hits per game. The Bears gave up 8.5. This is very significant - but - it seems to me that it also shows the best olines give up significant sacks/hits.

My point is that it's now a game where no matter how good the oline is, your QB is going to take his share of punishment. No clean uniform for the QB at the end of the game, no matter how good your oline.

But, I'm hoping we get closer to that 4 number this season.

**Riczaj01** · 06-25-2012, 03:25 PM

Yep, that's what happens when you make it impossible to touch the WR's and the qb's. The teams are just going to find ways to bum rush the qb and just make him rush the pass. When you could man handle the WR a little it wasn't AS important to hit the qb.

Still 75 hits a season is substantially less then 136. The difference between the 9rs and us is there starting qb(not near as good as ours )stayed healthy and Cutler didn't....oddly enough not on a sak/hit.

**JustAnotherBearsFan99** · 06-25-2012, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Yep, that's what happens when you make it impossible to touch the WR's and the qb's. The teams are just going to find ways to bum rush the qb and just make him rush the pass. When you could man handle the WR a little it wasn't AS important to hit the qb.

Still 75 hits a season is substantially less then 136. The difference between the 9rs and us is there starting qb(not near as good as ours )stayed healthy and Cutler didn't....oddly enough not on a sak/hit.

I agree, the difference is a lot. It does seem like defenses have evolved to a higher level (in general) than offenses have. A lot of times our problem wasn't a 1-on-1 blocking problem, but rather a defense throwing extra bodies at our blockers and our blockers seemed to be confused as to who to pick up. I realize that we did have our 1-on1 problems too.

**short faced bear** · 06-25-2012, 04:07 PM

For some of those teams it seems that teams with a shotgun formation made teams who loaded up pay for it. Since we really didn't have one (plus rollouts, bootlegs, or designed waggles) I'd think the hits/hurries are at least cut by a 1/3rd.

Another stat I think that will go way up with the new WR's is QB rating vs times blitzed. I think that stat goes through the roof. One good thing is I can't see as much loading the box with teams daring us to pass now imo.

**Shark86x** · 06-25-2012, 04:42 PM

I'm looking at both the sack + hits and sacks compared to win\loss, and I don't see any real correlation.

So I broke all the teams into four groups, and looked at the totals for the group. The top 8 teams, the next 8 teams and the third 8 teams, based on w/l, all had similar sacks and sacks + hits. Only the bottom fourth showed a significant increase in sacks and hits.

Maybe the number of hits isn't as important as we think, as long as somebody's open to make a reception or maybe they don't happen on as many critical plays - 3rd downs etc. I seem to remember a lot of bad third down plays last year with OMG or somebody false starting or holding.

**JustAnotherBearsFan99** · 06-25-2012, 05:38 PM

Shark, that is a fantastic point!

It broke my heart to see those stupid penalties put us in 3rd and long. It killed drives, lost games and ultimately killed our season. A steady diet of "3rd and longs" just breaks a team's back.

Players who haven't the discipline to remember a snap count just kills your offense. And even with our new offensive weapons, don't kid yourself, if we give Cutler a steady diet of 3rd-and-forever situations, we'll suck. Period.

Originally Posted by Shark86x

Maybe the number of hits isn't as important as we think, as long as somebody's open to make a reception or maybe they don't happen on as many critical plays - 3rd downs etc. I seem to remember a lot of bad third down plays last year with OMG or somebody false starting or holding.

**BigBadPapaBear** · 06-25-2012, 06:10 PM

More proof that the Bears didn't have the worst line in the league and that most Bears fans don't know what they are talking about. Just making judgements about this line based on their perceptions. Allowing hits and sacks is not the only tool to measure how good a line is. In fact to say that the Bears line was the worst, as so many on this site have said while paving the way for over 2000yds on the ground, strips away all credibility from those critics.

**JustAnotherBearsFan99** · 06-25-2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by BigBadPapaBear

More proof that the Bears didn't have the worst line in the league and that most Bears fans don't know what they are talking about. Just making judgements about this line based on their perceptions. Allowing hits and sacks is not the only tool to measure how good a line is. In fact to say that the Bears line was the worst, as so many on this site have said while paving the way for over 2000yds on the ground, strips away all credibility from those critics.

It will be interesting to see the quality of the unit that Tice puts on the field this year. Most of us have tried to just trust him - that he truly knows what he's doing with the unit. But this season is the year I'm going to pass judgement on Tice as an oline guru. Hopefully we see a disciplined and talented unit this year. I'm going to freak out if we see the continued false starts, missed blocking assignments and we're once again near the bottom of the league in allowing hits/sacks.

This is the year we should turn the corner with the oline.

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