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    Brandon Marshall vs. Vincent Jackson

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    Brandon Marshall vs. Vincent Jackson: Who is the superior WR?

    Who is the better No. 1 receiver: Vincent Jackson or Brandon Marshall?
    That's the question several front office executives grappled with during the offseason while assessing two of the NFL's top receivers on the open market (Jackson as an unrestricted free agent and Marshall via trade). Both are big, physical receivers with outstanding hands and ball skills, but they are distinctively different in their styles of play. This stark contrast creates a compelling debate in the scouting community, which makes them worthy of consideration in this series.
    The Tampa Bay Buccaneers signed Jackson to give young quarterback Josh Freeman a legitimate No. 1 target, while the Chicago Bears reunited Marshall and QB Jay Cutler (once a dynamic duo with the Denver Broncos). With enormous expectations surrounding both players in their new cities, let's stack them up against each other in five categories to see which one is the superior player.

    Athleticism

    Jackson was a standout two-sport star (football and basketball) at Northern Colorado and those skills are certainly reflected in his spectacular game. He excels at blowing past defenders on vertical routes, but also displays the ability to outleap opponents for contested balls in traffic. Marshall is just as impressive as an athlete. He routinely twists and contorts his body in awkward positions to make difficult grabs. Marshall complements his athleticism with exceptional quickness and burst. Although he certainly lacks the explosiveness to match Jackson in a footrace, Marshall's playing speed is problematic for defenders who area already overwhelmed by his imposing size and strength.

    Overall, I would give Jackson the nod over Marshall due to his combination of size, strength and quickness. It is hard to find a smooth and explosive playmaker in a 6-foot-5, 230-pound package, but all of the ingredients are certainly there when I watch Jackson.

    Advantage: Jackson

    Route running

    Big-bodied receivers typically struggle running routes due to the difficulty of dropping their weight on cuts and re-generating speed. However, Jackson and Marshall have become solid route runners over the course of their respective careers. Jackson excels at running the vertical portion of the route tree. From the "Bang-8" (skinny post) to the post-corner, he has developed into an indefensible threat in isolated situations with his speed and athleticism. In an offensive system that emphasizes the vertical passing game, he is a nightmare to defend.
    Let's take a look at a 58-yard reception by Jackson against the Baltimore Ravens to see how well he executes a double move in space. The Chargers align Jackson to the top of the screen. He is facing one-on-one coverage against Ravens CB Cary Williams:


    Jackson is going to run a "Stutter-Go" to sneak past Williams on a deep route:



    When Jackson fakes a curl at 10 yards, Williams reacts by breaking up on the route:



    Jackson accelerates out of the move and runs past Williams for a 58-yard reception:



    Click here to see the video of this play.

    Marshall excels on various crossing routes over the middle of the field. He is at his best when utilizing a speed-cut technique that allows him to roll in and out of his breaks, instead of stopping and starting at the top of his route. As a result, he is able to run away from defenders and uses his big frame to shield them from making a play on the ball. Marshall also displays a crafty knack for executing double moves to defeat defenders on deep balls.
    In this area, I would give the nod to Jackson because of his ability to run the entire route tree with superb precision. He simply runs crisper routes and his game would fit any offensive system.

    Advantage: Jackson

    Ball skills

    Catching the ball is the most basic (and most vital) factor in a receiver's job description. Elite receivers, in particular, should display exceptional ball skills and awareness, while routinely coming down with difficult grabs in traffic. Both players certainly stand out in this area. Jackson has developed into one of the best pass catchers in football. He excels at tracking the ball on deep routes and his ability to make last-minute adjustments on errant tosses expands the quarterback's strike zone. Although he occasionally muffs a ball due to a lapse in concentration, Jackson's focus and consistency stands out on tape.

    Marshall is a spectacular pass catcher with outstanding ball skills and hands. He snatches the ball out of the air with his big mitts and utilizes his size advantage to routinely come down with difficult balls in traffic. While Marshall also suffers from occasional lapses in concentration, he routinely produces highlight-reel catches that make the miscues tolerable.
    Marshall is my pick in this category. He just makes so many spectacular catches. The video to your right showcases Marshall's remarkable ball skills in action at the 2012 Pro Bowl.

    Advantage: Marshall

    Running skills

    In today's game, coaches covet receivers with the ability to accumulate big yards after the catch. Jackson is a very productive runner in the open field. He isn't a physical or aggressive runner, but routinely runs through arm tackles and picks up positive yards after the catch. Although he doesn't strike fear into the hearts of defenders when he gets the ball, he is certainly capable of making plays in space.

    Marshall, on the other hand, is an extremely dangerous runner at all times. He attacks defenders with a potent stiff arm and shows the capacity to turn short passes into big gains. When Marshall gets the ball on the move, he simply makes things happen in the open field, and that's why he gets the nod as the superior runner.

    Advantage: Marshall

    Big-play ability

    Offensive coordinators covet pass catchers with the potential to produce big plays down the field. Jackson is undoubtedly one of the best in the business at delivering explosive plays (20-plus yards). He has compiled an impressive career average of 17.5 yards per catch by routinely getting behind defenders on vertical routes. In addition, he has become a prolific touchdown maker, with 37 scores in 91 career games.

    The clip to your right shows Jackson running past the defense on a double move for a 55-yard score. Pay attention to the subtle stutter fake at the top of the route on the replay.
    Marshall has also been productive as a big-play artist. He has 72 receptions of 20-plus yards in six seasons (compared to Jackson's 76 in seven years), tallying 34 touchdowns during that span. Those numbers are certainly on par with some of the top playmakers in the league.
    In this category, I give the edge to Jackson due to his ability to make plays down the field. The deep ball impacts the defense more than any other play in football, and Jackson has demonstrated his ability to consistently make explosive plays. Although Marshall certainly provides a spark to any offense, my love of the bomb makes Jackson the pick here.

    Advantage: Jackson

    Conclusion

    Jackson and Marshall were two of the marquee acquisitions of the offseason and their arrivals in Tampa Bay and Chicago, respectively, will certainly add another dimension to those offenses. Although I expect Marshall to have a bigger impact in Chicago -- due to his ability to thrive as a No. 1 receiver with Cutler -- I believe Jackson is the better overall player at this point of his career. He is a superior athlete, route runner and big-play threat, which makes him a more difficult player to defend in my opinion.

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    A huge part of Marshall's impact on the Bears will not show up on any stat sheet. His presence on the field will open up big plays by our other WR's, TE's and even the run game. I don't expect Cutler to focus too much on getting the ball to Marshall. Cutler will spread the ball around to ALL of his weapons on offense. Yes, Marshall will get a ton of big plays, but we have plenty of good weapons to spread the ball to - Marshall will be drawing major attention by opposing defenses, so this helps everyone.

    Regarding Vincent Jackson, and comparing him to Marshall, well, I really don't care WHAT happens to Jackson this year. I'm all about OUR player, Marshall.
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    They're both very similar. I'll take a younger WR over and older one.

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    Before we had any WR I didn't want Jackson. Marshall is dominant.

    Vincent Jackson has been in the league one more year than Marshall and is sporting 37 TD's with 3 1k+ receiving yard seasons. With one less year than Jackson, Marshall has 34 TD's and has FIVE STRAIGHT 1k+ receiving yard seasons. Vincent Jackson has never had more than 68 receptions in a season and only one other season where he had 60.. the rest below that. Marshall had THREE STRAIGHT 100+ yard catch season and besides his rookie year has never had less than 81 receptions. Plus Marshall is way more durable.

    You put two highlight reels next to each other and I don't think it's even a discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi66 View Post
    Before we had any WR I didn't want Jackson. Marshall is dominant.

    Vincent Jackson has been in the league one more year than Marshall and is sporting 37 TD's with 3 1k+ receiving yard seasons. With one less year than Jackson, Marshall has 34 TD's and has FIVE STRAIGHT 1k+ receiving yard seasons. Vincent Jackson has never had more than 68 receptions in a season and only one other season where he had 60.. the rest below that. Marshall had THREE STRAIGHT 100+ yard catch season and besides his rookie year has never had less than 81 receptions. Plus Marshall is way more durable.

    You put two highlight reels next to each other and I don't think it's even a discussion.
    I'm with you. People seem to forget that Marshall was hidden in obscurity in that horrible Miami franchise. He's a gem. That's why I can only LOL when their owner claimed they were going to dump Marshall for nothing. He's a superb talent moved by a team that is rebuilding on each side of the ball. I think we're going to see Marshall's best ball to come. He's in a high profile market with a real QB throwing to him and with a team that is on a mission. This guy is going to be a pimp for us.

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    Im taking Marshall 10/10 over Jackson. The dude played with bums post Jay Cutler for the most part and hasnt really missed a beat. Still all over 1000 yards.

    And I wanted Marshall all along. Ever since we got Jay I had dreams of Marshall in a Bears uniform.
    Last edited by nerrad; 07-11-2012 at 05:27 PM.

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    For the money I'll take Marshal every time. Both are 2nd tier elite talent(not A or C johnson, or Fitz) but still top 10 easy.

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    Marshall already has a connection w/Jay. Add in Bates to help out and the fact we got him for a song if he even approaches his average it's already a steal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by short faced bear View Post

    Marshall already has a connection w/Jay. Add in Bates to help out and the fact we got him for a song if he even approaches his average it's already a steal.
    That's the bottom line. I figure that no matter how things turn out, this was a steal. I never, in my wildest dreams, would have believed the Bears could pull this off like they did. It's a steal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    For the money I'll take Marshal every time. Both are 2nd tier elite talent(not A or C johnson, or Fitz) but still top 10 easy.
    Disagree. Marshall is top 5 with a good quarterback.

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