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Thread: Forte's Deal by the Numbers

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    Quote Originally Posted by motownbear View Post
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    Ok I think it's pretty clear what we paid and how it's structured thanks to your post. As much as I like steins work we have to admit this is the biggest payout by the bears since peppers signing. I think they are gearing up for a back breaking cutler deal. After this forte deal where do guys like Melton, urlacher, and cutler fit in the cap and if any of our olinemen pan out we still would need to make room for
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    I'm guessing on this year but if I remember where we left off with it the Bears had about $3.7 mil in cap excess left in 2012 and Forte's deal should add about another $4 mil so if those number are right we have just a little under $8 mil left to work with this year or we can roll over what ever we don't into 2013.

    The only number I've heard about 2013 and 2014 came from something John Clayton worked up that said the Bears only have around $13 mil in excess for 2013 so far but close to $50 for 2014. Of course those figures are based on expiring deals and numbers that are now on the books and I have no idea how he projects that growth of the cap over the next two years.

    I think it's safe to say that the Bears will find away to keep their key guys and those you mentioned fit that description mo. There are also some numbers out there based on incentives that won't be paid but those only come into play once you're in that cap year. Guys who have incentives that add to 2012 cap cost who don't earn them will see that money added back to 2013 cap excess.

    They can also turn some of those high salary numbers into bonuses in spread the cap hits out so guys like Hester and Tillman will probably be asked to restructure and you pretty much know they will. Some guys like Spencer and Spaeth may well be replaced by cheaper players after 2012.

    Jay is signed through 2013, Marshall 2014 and Pep 2015. My guess is that a lot of the money in Cutler's new deal will hit in 2016 after Pep retires and the big hits we're taking for him disappear. Marshall may well get extended but by 2016 I expect Urlacher and Briggs will be gone to.

    So they key is to structure the deal so that we use the cap space most effciently and Cliff Stein seems to be pretty good at that if not the best in the league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by short faced bear View Post
    Welcome back Kotter. i think we all need a break from time to time. Hope you didn't have trouble w/the fires out there Soul.
    Thanks to you shorty and the rest of the DaBears "sweathogs". LOL

    The fires were to the North and South of Denver. One just west of Ft. Collins and another that started west of Colorado Springs to the South of but burned it's way right to the edge to town before they got it under control. Some deaths and about 600 or so homes destroyed between the two and a whole lot of people homeless and out of work because of it.

    For the most part those of us in and around Denver were spectators but (we had our big fire around here back in March) we've got at least one member who lives in the Springs, Mike's Nephew. Has anyone heard from him and has he posted lately? Need to check in with him and see if he was affected.
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    No more "Beardown" or the more negative "Dislike" buttons. GbPH. To many hard feelins being created with that. Now you can use the reputation button when you want to do a like and leave a comment if you so choose. That's a better idea all around.
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    FWIW, these are the terms of Matt Forte's contract as reported by Spotrac;


    Matt Forte

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    Players: Drafted:Round 2 (#44 overall), 2008
    College: Tulane



    Current Salary Information


    Contract: 4 yr(s) / $30,400,000 Signing Bonus $4,000,000 Average Salary $7,600,000 End Year: 2015 Free Agent: 2016 / Unrestricted
    Base Salary S. Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap Hit
    2012 800,000 1,000,000 5,000,000 6,800,000
    2013 1,700,000 1,000,000 4,600,000 7,300,000
    2014 5,500,000 1,000,000 1,100,000 7,600,000
    2015 6,650,000 1,000,000 1,150,000 8,800,000
    2016 UFA
    • $18 million guaranteed
    • Signing Bonus: $4 million
    • 2012 Roster Bonus: $5 million
    • 2013 Roster Bonus: $4 million
    • 2013 Per-Game Bonus: $500,000
    • 2014 Per Game Bonus: $1 million
    • 2015 Per Game Bonus: $1.05 million
    • 2013-15 Workout Bonus: $100,000
    • Incentives: $4 million

    As you can see this says the overall deal is worth about $1 mil less than has been reported elsewhere but their may be another $1 mil in performance bonuses which are not included here because they are not considered LTBE and therefore would not be charged against the cap until they were earned and paid.

    I also mis-estimated the structure of year one so that will affect the cap hit both this year and in later years. I had guessed that he got an $8 mil signing bonus. He actually got a $4 mil SB which will be paid now but only $1 mil will be charged against the cap in each to the 4 years.

    His $5 mil roster bonus and $800k salary will both hit the cap in 2012 so his first year cap cost will be $6.8 not the $3.8 mil I estimated. Less cap savings this year but lower cap costs in future years making it even less likely that he'd be cut just for cap reasons if he remains productive.

    To protect themselves against a potential injury or loss of productivity a significant portion of the deal is paid in the form of roster bonuses which will not be earned if he's not on the roster and other bonuses in addition to salary pay out on a per game basis which also require Matt to remain healthy in order to collect all of it.

    So this is an update to what I posted yesterday. Spotrac may or may not be 100% accurate with all of this but I've found them to be the most consistently accurate source for this info. If they're not 100% they're damn close.
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    meh, this sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by GermansbombedPH View Post
    meh, this sucks
    I don't know. I wasn't opposed to the "like" button but the "dislike" is misunderstood sometimes and it can create some "pissin" matches between members that turn ugly. I was one of those in favor or removing it. The rep thing is more valuable than a like anyway.
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    Actually, we didn't take away the like/beardown/etc buttons. vBulletin, the software that we run the site through, had a security breach related to the particular feature that was allowing our site to be hacked/hijacked repeatedly. Rather than endure the bullshit, we took the feature away until they fix it. Of course it took us almost a month to figure out that was the problem, but hey we are just a bunch of stupid jocks, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BearStuff View Post
    Actually, we didn't take away the like/beardown/etc buttons. vBulletin, the software that we run the site through, had a security breach related to the particular feature that was allowing our site to be hacked/hijacked repeatedly. Rather than endure the bullshit, we took the feature away until they fix it. Of course it took us almost a month to figure out that was the problem, but hey we are just a bunch of stupid jocks, right?
    Can we blame this on Jerry Angelo & Mike Martz too? I also suspect our offensive line somehow had a hand in this too. It's all Webb's fault!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99 View Post
    Can we blame this on Jerry Angelo & Mike Martz too? I also suspect our offensive line somehow had a hand in this too. It's all Webb's fault!
    Exactly. Old style anyone?


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