Thread: Garza: "Obviously, we have to get better. We know that."

Originally Posted by BearStuff

Look, I'd like Webb to be a workout warrior too, but I can't help but wonder a few things.

1st - this guy is a 7th rounder......does he have the cashesh to pay for specialized training like this all the time? Along that same vein, is it possible he is out there working another job (ala the pros of old) to keep the cashflow working in the right direction?

2nd - who says he isn't working out in some other fashion when he can't be there w/ the others?

3rd - does he live full time in the chicago area? If not, can he afford to fly back and forth (or drive for that matter)?

4th - does everyone remember that there was not offseason program at all last year before TC? Isn't it possible we will see a great deal of improvement just from having communications w/ coaches, workouts (even if only occasionally) w/ teammates and on his own, OTA's, minicamps?


I'm not giving the guy a pass, but rather just pointing out that a 7th rounder isn't exactly making bank like the other guys noted in the article. That may change his ability to participate to the satisfaction of a bunch of internet critics.


Before relegating him to "the pine" now, I'd prefer to see how he does in TC and the preseason.

Those are valid points. The thing I'm most reminded of is that in the upcoming olympics you see guys who work 2 jobs, find a way to get the specialized training, and should figure that just to make the team let alone be a starter is going to take much hard work.

I'm surprised nobody has asked or interviewed Webb about workouts and if he is getting supplemental training.

Originally Posted by MPBears68

This just reinforces the suspicions I've had about Webb all along. He needs to sit and be the backup.

Please, please make the starters...

CWill--Spencer--Garza--Louis--Carimi

That's our "best 5" playing in the best spots.

I think you're right MP. If Tice sticks with his approach of playing his five best guys then to me these are his five best going into camp. I think CWill did a nice job of proving himself at LG last years before he got hurt and he deserves another shot at LT. I don't think he ever truly got a good shot at it the first time.

Originally Posted by JJ-30

The more I read about Webb the more I think he feels he is far better then what he really is and that might just be his downfall this year. Maybe he is listening to Tice too much, I for one don't care that he has all the athlete abilities in the world if doesn't know what he is doing on the field then he doesn't belong on the field or on Bears or any team ok maybe the Packers.

LMAO!!! Life must have been a bitch when you were there.

Webb's immaturity is a huge factor in why he isn't better than he is. I think you hit the nail on the head JJ. It's not that he doesn't believe in his abilities it's that he believes too much in them. He's just not very bright and it's hurting his career. Maybe it always has.

I agree with all of the posts on this page. The only things I'd add, are:

1. If he pulls out all the stops and does well, then he's looking at a GREAT job as an LT for years - and the "Big Payday" and will be set for life. If it were me I'd be staying here working out, even if I had to stay at a rat infested fleabag hotel. Later get the mansion once you prove yourself and land the multi million dollar contract.

2. In addition to all of the great points everyone made here about the benefits of working out as a team, a unit, in the off season, I would add that it also gives a GREAT impression that he actually "cares" enough to participate with the unit every chance he gets. A great oline is 1 unit with 5 moving parts.

Originally Posted by BearStuff

Look, I'd like Webb to be a workout warrior too, but I can't help but wonder a few things.

1st - this guy is a 7th rounder......does he have the cashesh to pay for specialized training like this all the time? Along that same vein, is it possible he is out there working another job (ala the pros of old) to keep the cashflow working in the right direction?

2nd - who says he isn't working out in some other fashion when he can't be there w/ the others?

3rd - does he live full time in the chicago area? If not, can he afford to fly back and forth (or drive for that matter)?

4th - does everyone remember that there was not offseason program at all last year before TC? Isn't it possible we will see a great deal of improvement just from having communications w/ coaches, workouts (even if only occasionally) w/ teammates and on his own, OTA's, minicamps?


I'm not giving the guy a pass, but rather just pointing out that a 7th rounder isn't exactly making bank like the other guys noted in the article. That may change his ability to participate to the satisfaction of a bunch of internet critics.


Before relegating him to "the pine" now, I'd prefer to see how he does in TC and the preseason.

He may be a 7th rounder brother but he hasn't been paid like one. Here's his rookie contract.


J'Marcus Webb

Tackle

Players: Drafted:Round 7 (#218 overall), 2010
College: West Texas A&M

Current Salary Information

Contract: 4 yr(s) / $1,851,000 Signing Bonus $60,600 Average Salary $462,750 End Year: 2013 Free Agent: 2014 / Unrestricted

Base Salary S. Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap Hit 2010 320,000 15,150 1,300,000 1,635,150 2011 405,000 15,150 - 420,150 2012 490,000 15,150 - 505,150 2013 575,000 15,150 - 590,150 2014 UFA Signing Bonus: $60,600 Roster Bonus (2010): $1.3 million $1.308 million escalator available in 2013

He's only getting minimum salaries but how many 7th round picks get a $60.6k signing bonus or the $1.3 mil roster bonus he got last year? So far the kid has averaged a little over $1 mil per year. He adds another $490k this year whether he starts or sits and can make as much as $1.883 mil next year.

This is about the richest 7th round deal I've ever seen and maybe that's why he isn't as motivated as he should be. He got too much too early and maybe got a little lazy. He better wake up because if CWill takes his spot then we'll most likely extend him as our LT, Webb will stay at swing tackle and he'll lose that $1.308 mil incentive bonus next year. That's roughly $4.46 mil total over 4 years if he hits all of his bonuses. By comparison Matt Forte's rookie deal as a 2nd round pick only paid $3.781 mil over 4 years.

To me this would make J'Marcus Webb the most overpaid guy on the team.

Given what's at stake both of these guys should be playing their asses off for that starting spot this year. For Webb it has a million dollar plus price tag on it and for CWill it's a multi year extension with LT pay. Whether it works out that way or not I still like the thought behind it.

Holy crud that is a huge 7th round contract. I retract everything I said, based upon that, but otherwise I'd argue my points with anyone (even living somewhere else in offseason....like home w/ momma). Now, fuhgeddabowdit.

Yeah he took in $1.68 mil in 2010 just by making the 53 man roster. In comparison this years 7th round picks take in less than $950k between them if they make the team. Guess you could say we went a little over board on Mr. Webb. No wonder JA was probably insisting he play and Tice was pumping him up like he was. I think that's come to an end now.