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    It's About Time This Was Acknowledged and Said...............

    With healthy Cutler and Forte, and reliable backups, Bears are Packers' biggest worry



    By Clark Judge | Senior NFL Columnist
    July 23, 2012 7:57 AM ET




    Forte finally has his long-term deal, and the Bears have a reliable backup if he goes down again. (Getty Images)


    Green Bay wide receiver Greg Jennings recently wondered if the Detroit Lions can keep their composure on or off the field, and I wish I had an answer. But I do have a suggestion: Forget about Detroit. You should be more concerned about the Chicago Bears, Greg, and not because of their composure. Because of their talent.


    I know, Detroit has a raft of gifted young players, a quarterback who just threw for more than 5,000 yards and the best wide receiver in the game. But it's the Bears ... not the Lions ... that should squeeze Green Bay the hardest this season in the NFC North.

    That doesn't mean I see Detroit or Chicago catching the Packers, because I don't. But I do see the Bears passing Detroit and closing the gap with the defending NFC North champions ... and let me explain why:


    1. Their quarterback: I'm not a Jay Cutler fan, but he seemed to grow up a year ago and started playing the position like a quarterback instead of a passer -- and, yes, there's a difference. Rewind the videotape of the victory against Philadelphia, and you'll see what I mean. Cutler made critical plays and smart decisions and finally started acting like a leader. The guy seems to have grown up, and hallelujah. It's about time. He's always had the talent. Now he might have the intangibles to be something more than someone with a big arm and zero personality. It looks as if that 2010 playoff run made a difference.


    2. Their backup quarterback: This might be the offseason move I like most. When Cutler bowed out with a season-ending injury in 2011, the Bears were 7-3. They would win one game afterward, and that's what happens when you have Caleb Hanie as Plan B. OK, so Hanie looked decent in the 2010 conference championship game, responding after he was called off the bench at halftime, but he fizzled a year later. I don't want to be too harsh on the guy, because he might've made it if the Bears didn't lose Matt Forte, too. But they did, and we all know what happened. So Chicago learned from its mistake, signed veteran Jason Campbell, and now is prepared to wheel out a proven quarterback if Cutler is re-injured. Basically, where they were hurt a year ago they won't be hurt again, and that's smart thinking.


    3. Their running back: Making Forte happy with a long-term extension not only is good for the team's most effective weapon, it's good for the team, period. It guarantees there won't be distractions involving the guy, and it should guarantee maximum effort and, one would hope, productivity. Forte gained a career-best 4.9 yards per carry last season and produced nearly 1,500 yards rushing and receiving before he was hurt. Plus, he led the league in carries of 20-40 yards and is only 26. The club demonstrated it values Forte. Now it's up to Forte to prove he's worth the investment.


    4. Their backup running back: If there was an offseason move to rival the signing of Campbell, it was the signing of Michael Bush. The Bears were 1-3 without Forte last season, and, as I said, you can make the argument that had he not bowed out they would have made it to the playoffs. All I know is that Forte wouldn't have run out of bounds in Denver, and neither will Bush. The guy could start for almost anybody, but sat behind Darren McFadden in Oakland -- that is, until McFadden would get hurt ... which was often. Then the Raiders would turn to Bush, and he responded by running for 2,221 yards, gaining 4.1 yards a carry and producing 19 TDs the past three seasons. All I know is that his addition prevents a collapse similar to last season. Plus, it gives the Bears another weapon and someone to relieve Forte, keeping him fresh.


    5. Their wide receiver: No, I'm not a big Brandon Marshall guy, either, because of character concerns that keep driving him to another area code. But I do know one quarterback who can thrive with him, and it's the same quarterback he had in Denver when he caught a career-high 104 passes in 2008. Cutler hasn't had a target like Marshall in his three years in Chicago, and it handicapped him and the team. Now that he does, the Bears have a bona fide outside threat who should draw double coverage, open the field for other targets, and make the Bears a more dangerous -- and effective -- passing offense.


    6. Their special teams: People tell me kickers and punters and returners don't matter, but if that's the case, then what kept San Francisco and Baltimore from Super Bowl XLVI? The Bears are loaded in this area and just added returner Eric Weems to a cast that already features Devin Hester and his 17 touchdown returns, Johnnie Knox, Robbie Gould and Adam Podlesh. Weems' value was compromised by the NFL moving kickoffs to the 35-yard line, but I remember what the guy did against Green Bay in the 2010 playoffs -- and I bet the Packers do, too. The rich just got richer.

    7. Their defense: This is where the Bears and Lions diverge most. Chicago can beat you with a defense that includes four Pro Bowl selections. Detroit? Not so much. The Lions were gashed for 550 yards and six touchdown passes in the 2011 season finale ... by a backup quarterback. The Bears ranked 14th in points allowed, Detroit ranked 23rd. OK, so Chicago could improve its pass rush. It just did with the addition of rookie Shea McClellin.


    Bottom line: The Bears were a playoff team waiting to happen a year ago ... only it never happened. Had they not lost Cutler and Forte, they would have made it. Instead, they collapsed, dropping five of their last six, and finished 8-8 -- one game out of the picture.


    Well, that's not going to happen again. First of all, they have a healthy Cutler and Forte. Just as important, they have a backup plan. If either or both are hurt again, the Bears can do what they could not in 2011, which is to turn to reliable and experienced understudies to prevent another catastrophe.


    Someone better tell Greg Jennings.

    (At the request of both prosecution (soulman) and the defense (Evernight) the above comment is to be struck from the record and the jury (dabears members) will ignore it.
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    I'm sure Greg Jennings didn't overlook the Bears in his mind but Packer players seldom hand out kudos to their arch rivals and it's better for us if the "boys to the North" all develop a nasty case of the "ostrich syndrome" anyway. I want them looking over their shoulders at Detroit and remaining confident that they can handle a challenge from the Bears because they usually do.

    It's pretty tough to argue with anything the author has said here. No massive hyperbole was used, just raw facts. The last paragraph sums it up except for one omission. You can add Brandon Marshall to Cutler and Forte as the main reason why the Bears offense will improve dramatically and then include the fact that we have reasonable and experienced backup for all three should we experience some injuries.

    In fact it may be harder to replace Marshall than the other two but he's the one with no real injury history so "knock on wood" it stays that way. Jeffery can at least contribute in the role of "big receiver" but he won't be anywhere near as effective as Marshall this early in his career.

    The rest is spot on. Even if you give the Pack and slight edge on the OLine, WR and QB that still leaves that Bears with a far superior running game, defense and special teams so I'd say the two teams match up very well. If both remain reasonably healthy it should be a season long battle for the NFCN crown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    I'm sure Greg Jennings didn't overlook the Bears in his mind but Packer players seldom hand out kudos to their arch rivals and it's better for us if the "boys to the North" all develop a nasty case of the "ostrich syndrome" anyway. I want them looking over their shoulders at Detroit and remaining confident that they can handle a challenge from the Bears because they usually do.

    It's pretty tough to argue with anything the author has said here. No massive hyperbole was used, just raw facts. The last paragraph sums it up except for one omission. You can add Brandon Marshall to Cutler and Forte as the main reason why the Bears offense will improve dramatically and then include the fact that we have reasonable and experienced backup for all three should we experience some injuries.

    In fact it may be harder to replace Marshall than the other two but he's the one with no real injury history so "knock on wood" it stays that way. Jeffery can at least contribute in the role of "big receiver" but he won't be anywhere near as effective as Marshall this early in his career.

    The rest is spot on. Even if you give the Pack and slight edge on the OLine, WR and QB that still leaves that Bears with a far superior running game, defense and special teams so I'd say the two teams match up very well. If both remain reasonably healthy it should be a season long battle for the NFCN crown.
    Jennings isn't overlooking anyone. He was asked his opinion of the Lions on NFL Network and that was his response. I can't believe how many times I've seen this used out of context, as if he just blurted it out of nowhere.

    As for this article, one word sums it up: DUH! The Bears are the Packers biggest problem nearly every single season, likewise are the Packers the Bears biggest problem. You can pretty much throw records and personnel out the window when these two teams play because you can rarely easily determine the outcome.

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    I'm perfectly happy for the Packers to think the Bears suck and that their biggest threat is Detroit. I hope they think that all year long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evernight View Post
    Jennings isn't overlooking anyone. He was asked his opinion of the Lions on NFL Network and that was his response. I can't believe how many times I've seen this used out of context, as if he just blurted it out of nowhere.

    As for this article, one word sums it up: DUH! The Bears are the Packers biggest problem nearly every single season, likewise are the Packers the Bears biggest problem. You can pretty much throw records and personnel out the window when these two teams play because you can rarely easily determine the outcome.
    I know what Jennings said was taken out of context and we all know each team is the other biggest problem but until camp starts this is the kind of stuff these guys write to fulfill their obligation to write something......anything, whether or not it even makes sense.

    Besides I had to post something today didn't I?

    I do agree that last sentence should be struck from the record counselor and I will so move. But the rest of the article was OK..........if you're a Bears fan, LOL.

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    Unfortunately after we kick the Packers ass in game 2 of the season they will be looking at us as the team they need to beat.

    Quote Originally Posted by bearsinhouston View Post
    I'm perfectly happy for the Packers to think the Bears suck and that their biggest threat is Detroit. I hope they think that all year long.

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    Packers are in for a rude awakening this year. Our biggest weakness since Cutler arrived was putting an offense on the field that can actually score points against them. Problem solved this offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ-30 View Post

    Unfortunately after we kick the Packers ass in game 2 of the season they will be looking at us as the team they need to beat.

    Thursday night game. Lambeau Field. Two of the most powerful teams in the 2012 NFL.
    Epic heavyweight battle for bragging rights in the NFC-N.
    A rivalry that goes back 91 years and 184 bloody games.

    It will be epic. A war. And yes, there will be casualties. Hope none of our key guys go down with serious injuries.

    This is where we re-take the Division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ-30 View Post
    Unfortunately after we kick the Packers ass in game 2 of the season they will be looking at us as the team they need to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    I know what Jennings said was taken out of context and we all know each team is the other biggest problem but until camp starts this is the kind of stuff these guys write to fulfill their obligation to write something......anything, whether or not it even makes sense.

    Besides I had to post something today didn't I?

    I do agree that last sentence should be struck from the record counselor and I will so move. But the rest of the article was OK..........if you're a Bears fan, LOL.

    And therein lies the problem. Most off-season articles are about as enlightening as reading about someone taking a dump. They're better off not writing anything at all unless it at least has some substance to it.

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