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    At Least We Have This Base Covered Now............

    Got your backup: No. 2 quarterbacks can provide teams security or angst



    By Pat Kirwan | NFL Insider
    July 22, 2012 3:29 PM ET

    The Pats and Tom Brady (right) had no idea how big Matt Cassel would become in 2008. (Getty Images)


    NFL camps open up this week with 90 players trying to make a final 53-man roster.


    Expectations are high, and every team has some level of hope it can make the playoffs, get hot (as the Giants did last year) and with it all. Of course some of those expectations are a bit unrealistic but as many players said to me over the weekend out in Lake Tahoe at the Celebrity Golf Classic, "we have as good a chance as any team."


    That player opinion may be true, but if some teams lose their quarterback their chances for any level of success goes straight down the drain.


    Real backup quarterbacks who can win games are hard to find and usually cost upward of $3 million a season, but in my opinion are well worth the investment. Every team would love to tell the same story the Houston Texans told last year when Matt Schaub went down, Matt Leinart went down and rookie T.J. Yates came off the bench and led his team to the playoffs. Any GM or head coach counting on that scenario to play out if the starter goes down will probably be looking at a pink slip at the end of the season. Those scenarios are 1 in a 100.


    What amazes me is the number of teams that are one QB injury away from asking a backup with little recent playing history -- or for a few quarterbacks no playing history -- to be ready to go on a moment's notice. And when I asked CBS analyst Phil Simms, he agreed that the NFL quarterback position may be the hardest position in sports to play, and to come off the bench with no recent playing time is almost impossible. Simms reminded me Matt Cassel did it, but that was a rare situation.


    Ask yourself if your favorite team is in a solid position at the backup QB.
    There are 10 No. 2 quarterbacks who haven't started a game in two years -- or in some cases ever. Among those 10 backups, they have combined to throw one touchdown pass and a total of 103 attempts overall in two years.


    Talking about an Achilles' heel to a program, huh?


    Take a look at these quarterbacks sitting in the second position. Is there a Yates or Cassel story in this group? Is there a Rich Gannon in this group? In his first three years, Gannon had no starts, no touchdowns and then started 13 games in relief in 1990. Or even better for the veterans on this list below, Gannon missed 1994 and had zero starts or touchdowns in 1995 and came back to be the NFL MVP in 2002.


    Team No. 2 QB Last Two Years
    Atlanta Chris Redman 0 starts, 22 of 34 passes, 0 td
    Baltimore Tyrod Taylor 0 starts, 1 pass, 0 td
    Denver Adam Weber 0 starts, no playing experience
    Green Bay
    Graham Harrell 0 starts, no playing experience
    Kansas City Brady Quinn 0 starts, no playing experience
    Minnesota
    Sage Rosenfels 0 starts, 10 of 15 passes,0 td
    New England Brian Hoyer 0 starts, 6 of 8 passes, 1 td
    New Orleans Chase Daniel 0 starts, 6 of 8 passes, 0 td
    N.Y. Giants David Carr 0 starts, 5 of 13 passes, 0 td
    Philadelphia Mike Kafka 0 starts, 11 of 16 passes, 0 td
    There are other teams with questionable backup situations like San Diego (Charlie Whitehurst), St. Louis (Kellen Clemens) and Tampa Bay (Dan Orlovsky), but at least these backup quarterbacks have had some real field experience in the last two years.


    On the other hand, there is comfort in Dallas (Kyle Orton), Chicago (Jason Campbell), Jacksonville (Chad Henne), Arizona (John Skelton), Miami (Matt Moore or David Garrard) and the New York Jets (Tim Tebow). Those clubs will have a real chance to win if the backup is needed.


    Finally, the free-agent quarterback list is lean and really there's no place to turn at this late date if a team loses its starting quarterback any time after camp starts.


    Teams have made their decisions and now it's time to let them play out.
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    I know we debated this a bit earlier this spring after the signing of Campbell and while FA was happening. Should we have spent $3.5 mil on our backup QB?

    Pat Kirwan confirms my feelings that $3.0 mil plus is about the going rate for a guy you stand a fighting chance of salvaging your season with. And as he points out the situation in Houston with Yates last year is far more the exception than the rule. What generally happens is what the Bears experiences once we needed to depend upon an inexperienced backup. Even though based on his play in the 2010 NFCC Game it looked like he could handle it clearly he did not and a promising season went down the tubes.

    All I ask anyone is that they look at the backup QB situation two of our division rivals have (especially the most important one) and ask yourself which position you'd rather be in. Theirs or ours?

    I'm not sure I agree with some of the other teams like the Jets having covered this base all that well but I really don't give a rip about them. Here in Chicago we do have that base covered about as well as any other team in the NFL. Campbell can and will win games if Jay is injured and even McGown has proven that he's capable of being more than just a clip board holder in an emergency and that was with about as little prep time as you could get last year.

    I feel very comfortable about this situation but I see the Pack in a very similar situation to what we were in last year. The GB coaches express confidence in Harrell just as we did in Hanie but until the "rubber meets the road" do you really know what you have? Like I said. I like our situation as far as making a SB run a whole lot better than I like theirs.
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    Not that I want to HURT a PLAYER, but knocking AR out of the game in week 2 for say 4 weeks, would reqally improve our ( the BEARS ) chances of winning the division. I do prefer to win against a team at full strenght, but hey , it is the Packers. Karma can be a bitch.

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    I think it is a good use of money, the position is too important not to have a quality back up.

    It's a tight fix, but I think it is sound strategy to carry three on the roster. Yeah, it means your going to lose one person that might actually have a starting package, but it makes it very, very unlikely that your going to have to pick someone up off the street to run your offense. I don't even include some players like Joe Webb in Minny, who play ST and receiver, as well as, can fill in for QB during a pinch.

    The next question, and we might have to bring it up in a couple weeks is: Do you keep a Veteran like McCown around in that third spot? I don't see Josh all the sudden breaking out coming into the ninth year in the league. I think you use that spot to develop, not saying Blanchard is worth being that prospect, (we still have TC to judge) but I think it ideally you have someone in there moving forward.

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    There were too many people who actually believed Hanie was a capable back-up as the result of a couple of lucky throws against a Packers defense that had STOPPED PLAYING in that game .

    Hopefully management won't make the same mistake again.
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    If you can actually draft/develop a qb it's the cheaper/safer bet also; see Hou last year, and NE a few years back...and if you have a coach willing to change his O around his backups skillset(not martz) it can work also(see den last year). I'd still rather to that route then bring in a vet backup.

    then again the bears haven't shown that capability yet so it was probably the smart move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    If you can actually draft/develop a qb it's the cheaper/safer bet also; see Hou last year, and NE a few years back...and if you have a coach willing to change his O around his backups skillset(not martz) it can work also(see den last year). I'd still rather to that route then bring in a vet backup.

    then again the bears haven't shown that capability yet so it was probably the smart move.
    I'm with you, developing your own backup is the best way to go. But we haven't had a good QB other than Luckman or McMahon, and we certainly didn't know how to coach them. How many years did we go without a QB coach? Ridiculous. I'd prefer going with Campbell and Blanchard as 2 and 3. I'd rather try to develop Blanchard than keep Campbell and McCown.

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    Wow ... Sage Rosenfels on the Vikings? Thought he was out of football.

    Wasnt he a BEARS once?

    Campbell is a steal.

    Who was that POS we paid 2 mil to who stunk up the game at ATL. a few years back when he started as a backup?

    I think they put in Hanie after him for the next game ... I could be wrong.

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    I get frustrated when some fans say it doesn't matter who your backup QB is because if your #1 guy goes down to injury your season is over anyway. That just isn't true. A team can continue to win with a solid backup QB. I was really pleased to see us sign JC, and it was money well spent.
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    I know i was shot down for wanting Campbell on our team, cause "there's no way he'd sign as a backup" (not denigrating anyone, just sayin'). I was fuggin' pumped when we got him. Imagine how the NFC championship woulda gone with him in...


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