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    Tice: whoever is more consistent will win the LT job

    Tice isn't talking anymore about "potential" or "ceiling" or "raw physical talent"......it's time for a LT to get his act together and play consistently solid football. Emery is quoted as saying the same thing.



    Tice "I’m looking for consistency. To be a hit-or-miss guy doesn’t help us.”
    Looks like Webb has run out of rope. He either becomes consistent or rides the pine. No more passes from Tice. I have a feeling the Webb experiment is coming to an end in the next couple of weeks - unless he does a 180 turnaround. At the very least he should start remembering the snap counts


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    Consistency the key to Bears' left tackle position

    By Adam Oestmann, today at 9:51 am
    Will Chris Williams take back the starting role at left tackle? Easily the Bears’ biggest roster unknown as the teams gets ready to start training camp is the left tackle position. J’Marcus Webb and Chris Williams have split reps (limited so far) right down the middle this offseason and will continue to do so in camp until someone emerges.


    So, who will emerge? Between Phil Emery, Lovie Smith and Mike Tice, the formula for success has been made clear: whoever is more consistent will win the job.


    “I feel like we have guys with talent,” Tice said. “Unfortunately, some of it is unrealized talent in terms of not enough consistency. I’m looking for the same thing with all the guys: I’m looking for consistency. To be a hit-or-miss guy doesn’t help us.”


    For the most part, both candidates have been hit-or-miss—at best—up until this point.
    GM Phil Emery echoed Tice’s sentiment again on Tuesday. “Between [Webb and Williams] we're looking for somebody who’s consistent,” Emery said. “That looks like a consistent starter—someone who can contribute to winning football.”


    But it will be difficult to tell which player will provide the Bears with that level of consistent play until the pads go on. Even then, it may be hard to determine who’s pulling ahead until preseason exhibition games begin.

    “Normally players tell you exactly who should start and where you stack them on the depth chart,” Lovie Smith said Tuesday. “And that’ll be the case this year. But yes, it comes down to how they perform in the game also.”

    The Bears otherwise promising offense is severely threatened by the current lack of solid play at the left tackle position. The offensive line allowed Jay Cutler to be sacked 52 times in 2010, and allowed 49 takedowns in 2011.


    Bearing the brunt of that weakness these last few years has been quarterback Jay Cutler, who made it very clear this offseason that whoever wins must step up their game.


    “The offensive line is definitely going to be a concern,” Cutler said. “Seeing where those guys fit in and seeing what five we go with. There are some question marks there. Until we really get that resolved, get our front five settled, we've got some work to do on offense.”


    J'Marcus Webb started 16 games last season, many of which were difficult to watch from a positional standpoint. Webb had 15 offensive penalties in 2011, and Football Outsiders charged him for 11.5 missed blocks which either resulted in sacks or a holding flag. Pro Football Focus called him the worst LT in the League in 2011.


    From the coaches’ perspectives, though, Webb has all the tools. He’s built to play the position, but he also needs to improve his reads and his footwork drastically.


    Chris Williams on the other hand has only managed to play one full season of his four here in Chicago. But Williams was drafted to play the position. Having played at both tackle spots in Chicago, and also left guard, Williams has not had a ton of success as a former first-round draft selection.


    Williams has improved over the years, however, and is getting toward the end of his rookie contract with the Bears. They need to find out once and for all this season if their former first-rounder can play or not.


    Williams does seem suited to the left side of the line at least. In 2009, at the right tackle position, Williams gave up five sacks, nine hits and 27 hurries through 11 games. When the coaches moved him back to the left side, those numbers fell to two sacks, zero hits and seven hurries through five games.


    Whoever shows the highest level of consistency in the coming weeks will look to be positioned on Cutler’s blind side.






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    unless he does a 180 turnaround
    The only 180 turnaround I see him doing is when he realizes he lined up on the line of scrimmage facing the wrong direction.
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    they want webb to win cause he has two more years after this on his contract and a cheap rate while Williams would be out of contract. With guys like Urlacher, Cutler, and Melton needing extensions we should want Webb to succeed. But the reality of it is from most of what I read Williams has been working his ass off while Webb has been loafing around loading up on taco bell. When you suck and you dont put in the work idk how Williams would lose this battle

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    Quote Originally Posted by motownbear View Post
    they want webb to win cause he has two more years after this on his contract and a cheap rate while Williams would be out of contract. With guys like Urlacher, Cutler, and Melton needing extensions we should want Webb to succeed. But the reality of it is from most of what I read Williams has been working his ass off while Webb has been loafing around loading up on taco bell. When you suck and you dont put in the work idk how Williams would lose this battle
    I thought about the contract angle too. C.Will would have been a lot more affordable to re-sign as a guard. If he becomes our starting LT, then his contract will be significantly sweeter. No wonder he's working like a fire is under his butt.

    Webb should be just as motivated. He has the opportunity to be a starting LT in the NFL here. But if he is branded as a loafer, and not sharp enough to play LT, then it doesn't matter how high his ceiling is. He won't command squat the next contract. In fact, I could see the Bears using him for this year as a backup riding the pine, and then cutting him.
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    At the very least he should start remembering the snap counts
    Problem is, he needs to look at his fingers to do that and then he loses concentration.

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    see at guard unless you are elite you will get an average contract. at LT even an average one like Bell did with philly could get at least 5 mil a year. So you are completely right if C Will wants to be financially set LT is the place to be

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    The only 180 turnaround I see him doing is when he realizes he lined up on the line of scrimmage facing the wrong direction.



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    see at guard unless you are elite you will get an average contract. at LT even an average one like Bell did with philly could get at least 5 mil a year. So you are completely right if C Will wants to be financially set LT is the place to be
    To get a LT they can count on for the next 5 years or more I'm sure they'd consider $5 mil per year a bargain mo. That's about half what a franchise level guy gets and CWill won't get that kind of an offer anywhere. If he want to even equal his rookie deal he needs to win that LT spot.

    If the deciding factor is gonna be consistency, not upside, not athleticism, not perfect body type, monster strength, or the potential for the Pope to declare sainthood for the starter, then CWill has already won the gig.

    He may not have dominated at LG last year but he did pretty well and made very few mistakes. He's matured as a player at just about the time you'd expect him too. Webb is a good year behind him in that respect and he's under contract for short money for the next two years so he'll be a perfect swing guy and all that makes CWill more affordable to extend.

    I really don't want to lose either guy because I think they can both be very good OT's and we need three guys to fill our needs.
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    To get a LT they can count on for the next 5 years or more I'm sure they'd consider $5 mil per year a bargain mo. That's about half what a franchise level guy gets and CWill won't get that kind of an offer anywhere. If he want to even equal his rookie deal he needs to win that LT spot.

    If the deciding factor is gonna be consistency, not upside, not athleticism, not perfect body type, monster strength, or the potential for the Pope to declare sainthood for the starter, then CWill has already won the gig.

    He may not have dominated at LG last year but he did pretty well and made very few mistakes. He's matured as a player at just about the time you'd expect him too. Webb is a good year behind him in that respect and he's under contract for short money for the next two years so he'll be a perfect swing guy and all that makes CWill more affordable to extend.

    I really don't want to lose either guy because I think they can both be very good OT's and we need three guys to fill our needs.
    I totally agree. That's exactly how I feel about the situation at this point. Of course anything can change once we see how these two have improved since last season, but I think you've nailed it. I was very impressed with C.Will at LG last year. You could count on him snap by snap, game to game, delivering a solid performance. All things considered, I thought he was as good as any of our olinemen last year. Not because he was awesome, but he WAS consistently decent. I was disgusted with C.Will at LT, but I have to admit he may have improved skills while at LG, that COULD map to LT too. Time will tell.

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    I guess the silver lining to all this is that we do not have to have a Pro-Bowler over there given Cutlers mobility. He's no Mike Vick, but he's pretty quick. So even if one of these guys can improve and step up to "Average", it will look like a huge upgrade to us. I really think CWill can be that "average" LT for us and I think the experience he has gained at LG will translate well. Obviously there are different traits between LG and LT, but he is now accustomed to the speed of the game, understanding schemes and concepts, reading defensive keys, etc. I think that's what gives Webb problems.
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