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    CampTour'12: Mike Tice as O-manager

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    July, 27, 2012 Jul 27
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    By Kevin Seifert | ESPNChicago.com


    BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- It shouldn't be this difficult. Finding Mike Tice on a football field should be easy. Just look up and listen.

    Tice stands 6-foot-8 and has a deep voice he employs liberally during practices. It's hard to miss. So on the opening day of the Chicago Bears' training camp, I looked over to the spot where you normally find an NFL offensive coordinator. But as the Bears' quarterbacks warmed up, there was no Mike Tice.

    I checked the receiver group. Couldn't see or hear him. Tight ends? Nope.

    It wasn't until I located the offensive line that I caught a glimpse of him, my first clue that the Bears have crafted a unique -- but, I think, appropriate -- arrangement to operate their offense this season.

    More than ever, NFL offensive coordinators rise from a quarterback background, developed as a player or an assistant coach or both. In the NFC North, for example, we have the Detroit Lions' Scott Linehan (college quarterback, quarterbacks coach) and the Minnesota Vikings' Bill Musgrave (NFL quarterback and quarterbacks coach). It's not a requirement for the job, but consider it a nod toward the increased importance of quarterbacks at this level.

    Mike Tice's Coaching Career

    Mike Tice has done just about everything other than be an offensive coordinator in his career. A look at his diverse resume:
    Years Role Place
    1978-80 Quarterback Maryland
    1981-93, '95 Tight end 3 NFL teams
    1996 Tight ends coach Vikings
    1997-01 Off. line/Asst. head coach Vikings
    2002-05 Head Coach Vikings
    2006 Asst. head coach Jaguars
    2007-09 Tight ends coach Jaguars
    2010-11 Off. line coach Bears
    2012 Off. Coordinator Bears


    Tice, on the other hand, will run the Bears' offense through the line -- a dream of many offensive line coaches that rarely comes to fruition. The idea, after the Bears spent two years struggling to meld their scheme with personnel, is to build an offense around quarterback Jay Cutler but operate it within the context of what the offensive line can handle.

    It was an idea that initially sounded unappealing to Tice, who settled into a position coach's life over the past seven years after a rocky end to his tenure as the Minnesota Vikings' head coach. But given the opportunity to fashion the job to his strengths and expertise, Tice reconsidered.

    "The more I thought about it," he said, "I thought, 'Who knows the offense we have better than I do? Who knows the line? Who knows how to protect the line better than I do? Who knows how to hide their flaws better than I do?' I've got a great relationship with the quarterback, [Devin] Hester, the tight ends, Why not?"

    Based on Thursday's initial practice, and a subsequent interview, it's safe to assume Tice will spend a majority of his time with the offensive line. During practice, he'll break away only for seven-on-seven drills, leaving offensive line coach Tim Holt to run one-on-one blocking drills, and he'll spend about half of his total meeting time in the line's room. Meanwhile, newcomer Jeremy Bates will be Cutler's position coach and a key conduit of the passing game.

    It would be easy to conclude, as I was prepared to, that in reality Tice is the Bears' blocking and running coordinator while Bates is the passing game coordinator. Tice, however, insisted that will not happen and said it is important "to be involved in the passing game and all facets and not just have a situation where I handle the runs and protection and someone else handles the passing game."

    So how will it all work?

    From what I can gather, Tice has crafted an offense that blends the power running game he learned from longtime NFL coach Joe Gibbs, elements of the West Coast passing game culled from Bates' career path and a downfield portion Tice used with the Vikings. Tice will call plays from the sideline, but he'll leave an important segment to Cutler -- who will get a pass-run option based on defensive alignments. (Tice once famously dubbed this element his "Duh offense" because it asks quarterbacks to audible to a pass when defenses are aligned against the run and vice versa.)

    "We want to be able to do everything," Tice said. "We want to be able to catch and run. We want to be able to throw it deep. We want to be able to play-action, we want to be able to move the pocket. We want to be able to run the ball explosively. It's really not that different than what we did in Minnesota.

    "I think Jeremy Bates has done a nice job of putting in his version of the West Coast scheme, which is nice. We melded that with the long stuff that we used to do in Minnesota and we kept our run game intact. Now we have the run game that you'll recognize. The quarterback has a lot to manage on the line of scrimmage, just like [Vikings quarterback Daunte Culpepper]. And we'll see what happens."

    Without knowing the details, it's reasonable to be skeptical of an arrangement that shifts a longtime offensive line coach to the coordinator's role. But in this instance, I think it can work, especially if you consider Tice in the role of offensive "manager" rather than a traditional coordinator.

    He'll make liberal use of Bates, an intense film rat who is best suited in a role of scheming by candlelight in his office. He'll rely heavily on Cutler, a veteran with strong opinions on what best suits his skills. And Tice will most assuredly do one thing that hasn't happened for at least two years in Chicago: He'll take into account the strengths and weaknesses of the offensive line when developing a game plan.

    Is it unconventional? Sure. Does it have risks? Of course. But for this team at this time, it makes sense.

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    What a great article. Tice seems like the perfect fit for a Chicago coach. I never realized he played QB in college. I did know that he was a TE in the NFL. I love the arrangement.
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    Bears' flexible offense gets to work

    July, 27, 2012 Jul 27
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    By Michael C. Wright | ESPNChicago.com

    • BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- The first play of team drills Thursday didn’t achieve success, but it provided a glimpse of unpredictability Chicago Bears observers might notice once the 2012 NFL season kicks off.

      Quarterback Jay Cutler faked left, rolled out right, and threw incomplete to Brandon Marshall on the sideline.

      Again, not successful, but quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates -- one of the many collaborators in the club’s new offense -- explained the potpourri of looks the Bears hope to achieve in the new offense led by Mike Tice.

      “We’re going to try to do a bunch of football plays. To tell the truth, the most exciting play today was seeing Matt (Forte) take one up the middle,” Bates said. “Having a good running back opens up the ‘keeper’ game. If they commit to Matt and the defensive end is squeezing, then we’ve got to get outside him. Hopefully we’re going to do a number of plays our guys are good at.”

      The club remains deep in the process of trying to find out.

      Bates explained after Chicago’s first practice of training camp at Olivet Nazarene University that every coach on the offensive staff “has a specialty.”


      That means the offense, according to Bates is “going to be a combination of all of our coaches, and our ideas.” So while Tice, the new offensive coordinator, is the overseer, he’s “flexible as long as you really explain it and it makes sense.”

      “I’ve been with coach (Jon) Gruden, Mike Heimerdinger, some great offensive coaches, and I’m going to use some of their football plays,” Bates said. “An old coach once told me, ‘We really don’t create anything. It’s a copycat league.’ If you have a chance to be with some of those guys, you learn the concepts, the protections. That’s where I went to school: under those guys. That’s what I’m going to bring to the table. Coach Tice is going to bring his knowledge, and so is the rest of the staff.”

      But how that manifests itself on the field for Chicago’s offense remains arguably the most pertinent question looming as the team prepares for the 2012 season. Bates is well versed in West Coast offensive philosophies, while Tice’s roots are in the Don Coryell offense, a system that pushes the ball down the field deep, which he absorbed as a player in the NFL for former Washington Redskins coach Joe Gibbs.

      So it’ll be interesting to see how seemingly conflicting offensive philosophies meld. The Bears struggled offensively during the first workout of training camp, but the showing probably wasn’t indicative of how the unit will perform during the season.

      “We’re trying to find out what are the things that we do well,” Tice said. “You think, you hope there are some things you want them to do well. But when you watch the tape and continue to call the same plays, it’s going to be real simple. You add up the math. Did that play work or did the play not work? That’s what we’re trying to figure out right now.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99 View Post
    What a great article. Tice seems like the perfect fit for a Chicago coach. I never realized he played QB in college. I did know that he was a TE in the NFL. I love the arrangement.
    See the above article, he's very flexible in what the team can do; as long as it makes since he's down. Will be a composite of everyone, not jus this own vision.

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    Kind of an offense by committee I'd say. They're pretty much going about it just like they described last spring before they hired Bates. He's in charge of putting in an effective passing game that fits both Cutler and the basic style of offense the Bears want to run. He may not have the title of Passing Game Coordinator but in truth that's about what he is. He just needs to run it all be Tice for approval and it sounds to me like they're on the same page with that.

    I like the fact that he's bringing in some of Gruden's WCO stuff to blend with Tice's Coryell style downfield game. We've got guys who have played in both and it makes the passing game less predictable as long as they can execute it well. Ah but that's what camp is for and we may see the #1 guys all across the offense take more snaps in the preseason games to work the kinks out.

    When you look across the board offensively there won't be many slots open. We already know who the lions share of the starters will be so there's gonna be four or five guys battling it out for those one or spots that are left. It's gonna be tough for some guys who have talent to make it. I you fall behind for even a few days or just aren't catching on you're gone. The coaches aren't gonna waste practice reps on you let alone snaps in a preseason game.

    We're gonna be cutting guys early who would have made the team and maybe even started three years ago.
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    The BEARS cutting players , which other teams will stock up on, as to the past, where the BEARS stocked up on others castoffs. Can't believe I typed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    "Duh offense"
    Now it's "Da Offense".

    This could really turn out to be a perfect storm situation with everything coming together at just the right time. From the top down, this entire organization has seemingly taken an enormous step forward in one offseason. From George McCaskey all the way down to talented rookies like Jeffery and McClellin. There's bound to be some hiccups and there aren't any guarantees, but I don't see how this team won't look significantly better than last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    See the above article, he's very flexible in what the team can do; as long as it makes since he's down. Will be a composite of everyone, not just this own vision.
    That shows a lot of football wisdom. Martz was the opposite (his way or the highway). Tice is smart enough to let talented people have input, and the result will be a far better performance this year. A little humility is a good thing for an OC.

    Actually, I see the same thing happen in real life in the workplace. As a supervisor, it's just plain smart to let gifted subordinates innovate - the result is they make you look good. The managers who think they know it all, usually are shooting themselves in the foot.
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    I was looking at his career --

    1997-01 Off. line/Asst. head coach Vikings
    2002-05 Head Coach Vikings
    2006 Asst. head coach Jaguars
    2007-09 Tight ends coach Jaguars
    He moved up from asst. head coach to HC. Many of us knew that didn't go very well. His "meathead days". He then went to the Jags ass asst. HC again, but after one year he was demoted to TE coach. I had lost track of his career at that point as he was not really related to the Bears anyway. I didn't know they moved him down. Anyone have any insight? I was feeling pretty good about him leading the O until I saw that. Wonder if this is going to be too big for him. He did seem to do a good job with the OL -- but there were some questions -- sticking with OMG when he couldn't play while insisting the whole time the line was fine. He is doing that again, and I think this time Emery will hold him to it. If he doesn't do well, Emery might lose him. I think Lovie picked him, so it would be something he would do if the team didn't do well and he got rid of Lovie.

    I don't think it will go that way -- I expect the team to do well, but it got my mind thinking. Not a good thing come to think of it. There I go thinking again....

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    I think Bates is the real creator of the O; Tice is just got the title.

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