Thread: Webb - "There are no other options"

Next year were going to need a understudy C, a guard (unless they re-sign what we have) and increased depth. I can see next season being musical chairs again.

Originally Posted by Chi66

I'm not a fan of Bushrod. I think with Carl Nicks gone he'll be exposed as a lesser talent than previously thought. Everyone claimed they won't be freaking and it's just pre-season but as soon as Webb doesn't absolutely dominate everyones freaking. Slight concern? Perhaps. I say we wait until another pre-season game or two rolls around before we go into chaos mode like it seems most are doing. As of now I'll wait and see with piqued interest.

That could be but he's also developing his own game and just like Webb we should be able to see if he's a legit NFL LT by next spring when FA hits. Chances are that if he really is that good the Saints won't let him go unless their cap situation forces it on them. There will be a few other to look at as usual.

I'm not freaking as much as I'm becoming resigned to the reality that JWebb is about as good as he's ever gonna be. He'll never be a dominant LT because he has neither the brains or the desire to be one. I think it's that simple Chi. If you could put Shea McClellin's motor and football intelligence in Webb you'd have a HOF'er but unfortunately we can't get him that kind of a transplant.

Originally Posted by short faced bear

Next year were going to need a understudy C, a guard (unless they re-sign what we have) and increased depth. I can see next season being musical chairs again.

I'm not as worried about interior linemen because we do have guys who can play well there. I also am hoping Edwin Williams will be an upgrade over Garza when Roberto's playing days are over. I know E.Will had a bad snap exchange Thursday, but I wouldn't worry too much about 1 bad play. Good interior linemen can be had fairly easy. But solid RT's are more difficult to find. And good LT's are really really hard to find.

If our existing two guys can't play decent LT (Webb and C.Will) then it's a big set of shoes to fill for next season. And believing our undrafted rookie is the answer, is about the same thing as believing our 7th rounder, Webb, was the answer 3 years ago. Yes, it could happen. No, it probably won't happen.

Some tweets (I've heard) that J'farkus has recently made, is making him sound like he's tooting his horn too much ( something they were talking about on the radio couple days ago so I don't have a link ). Like he's bragging and making it sound like " I GOT THIS ".
Pretty retarded for a guy who plays at a C- level and thinks it's good ENOUGH. Dude's a friggin goof so maybe that's what Tice was alluding to when he said he needs to man up as a person too.
Have some fun after you've done the work and have made enough progress to be considered a B+ player ( which is his ceiling as far as I can see). But I guess being a C- is good enough for him- good enough to start talking smack. It's LAME - and so is the lack of real determination to get better. Fine - you get what you give : c- effort = c- player . But hey, in J'farkus's world : it's good enough bra'h. Sad.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

I'm not as worried about interior linemen because we do have guys who can play well there. I also am hoping Edwin Williams will be an upgrade over Garza when Roberto's playing days are over. I know E.Will had a bad snap exchange Thursday, but I wouldn't worry too much about 1 bad play. Good interior linemen can be had fairly easy. But solid RT's are more difficult to find. And good LT's are really really hard to find.

If our existing two guys can't play decent LT (Webb and C.Will) then it's a big set of shoes to fill for next season. And believing our undrafted rookie is the answer, is about the same thing as believing our 7th rounder, Webb, was the answer 3 years ago. Yes, it could happen. No, it probably won't happen.

I wouldn't say worry but with contract years for a few of them it certainly is a concern. I would agree w/you about the rarity of RT and even more rare excellent LT. However facing the Suh's of the league and the lack of goal-line punch the past several years more emphasis should be placed in solidifying that area.

Looking at our D-line for instance the importance of giving the qb a less statuesque pose in the pocket and flushing him to our DE's. I've seen enough of Kreutz getting knocked on his can and a crumpled pocket to not value good middle play.

Originally Posted by short faced bear

I wouldn't say worry but with contract years for a few of them it certainly is a concern. I would agree w/you about the rarity of RT and even more rare excellent LT. However facing the Suh's of the league and the lack of goal-line punch the past several years more emphasis should be placed in solidifying that area.

Looking at our D-line for instance the importance of giving the qb a less statuesque pose in the pocket and flushing him to our DE's. I've seen enough of Kreutz getting knocked on his can and a crumpled pocket to not value good middle play.

I totally agree. What frustrates me is that this is not a new problem for the Bears. Every year it's the same old story. Oline woes. Under Jerry Angelo's watch, I believe the Bears were just bad talent evaluators. The C. Williams 1st round draft is just one example. We didn't get a 1st round talent there. They have had a lot of misses in FA and the draft.

I don't know if they simply didn't value the importance of having a good oline. Or, if it was just that they couldn't pick good talent if their life depended on it. Either way it is frustrating. Most of the Chicago Bears fan base is tired of the failure to put together an oline. So surely Emery is bright enough to "get it" and do something about it next draft.

We'll see.

Since Tice has "stood pat" there needs to be not only cohesion but emphasis on keeping good backs and TE's that can block. Spaeth and Clutts should be part of a backup plan if improvement and injuries go to hell. IMO Cwill is probably the most important guy in the Oline and Tice is trying to figure out where to put him. Does he insure Carimi, play a position he excelled at (LG), or try to salvage the LT position?

I believe some things can be corrected w/scheme but not all. Some things can also be corrected by chipping but that also leaves us at a tactical advantage downfield. The one thing I am glad about is Emery will be breathing down Tice's neck. Emery sure won't be "standing pat" imo.