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    Webb - "There are no other options"

    Pretty good article.

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    "There are no other options.

    If the Bears thought Williams was a solution, they never would have pulled him off the left side. Undrafted free agent James Brown is intriguing but not as a left tackle in 2012. Starters don't suddenly appear on the waiver wire in late August. Webb is the guy, and the Bears knew that almost certainly would be the case back in the spring.

    Now they return to Olivet Nazarene University in Bourbonnais for a final week of camp. Don't expect a reconfigured line, but there ought to be a lot of work being put in."

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    Mike Tice has gone to a lot of measures to make points to offensive linemen over the years.

    In 2005, he pulled a fan off the sideline at Vikings training camp and had him fill in at guard during a non-contact drill without helmets. He was sending a message to his players.

    Tice delivered another statement Thursday night, when the Bears went to the unusual length of having a veteran starter play into the fourth quarter of the first exhibition game.

    J'Marcus Webb, who has started 28 games over the last two seasons and essentially has the starting left tackle job again by default, was on the field for 41 of 49 offensive snaps in the 31-3 loss to the Broncos at Soldier Field. He even blocked for fourth-string quarterback Matt Blanchard, an undrafted rookie.

    It was far better than his debut on the left side in the exhibition opener last summer, when the Bills' Shawne Merriman overwhelmed him. Webb was called for one false start Thursday but was not overmatched by any means, and the Broncos' six sacks were largely the result of quarterbacks holding the ball too long.

    Webb wasn't the only one to get an extended look. Left guard Chris Spencer, an eight-year veteran, played the entire first half. It was a sign that he, too, had not met expectations.

    "(Tice) was not happy with how we started," Spencer said. "We did nothing that we've been preaching about being explosive. Very disappointing. We have to go back to work."

    No one blamed the offense's struggles on the absence of quarterback Jay Cutler and running back Matt Forte, held out by coach Lovie Smith. The blocking was poor, particularly in the running game, as the Bears gained only 36 yards on 21 carries.

    Webb looked at it as an opportunity to improve, even if it was a lot of repetitions against players who soon will be ex-Broncos.

    "I've got to get better every day and every week, and that comes with the territory," he said. "I don't think of it as a punishment. I've got to get better. If he asks me to stay in, then I will."

    Smith chalked it up to wanting to see players improve, and Tice was clear earlier this week that Webb had not taken the job and run with it. The Bears explained that Chris Williams, who competed at left tackle for the first week of camp, was needed to spell right tackle Gabe Carimi, who had a sore knee. End of competition.

    "Just some players we thought needed reps, we needed to see," Smith said. "Some of the guys we know a little more about right now, we didn't play as much, and that was pretty much it."

    But the Bears know all they need to know about Webb. Playing in the second half of an exhibition opener isn't going to bring any revelations. Webb simply hasn't played as well as Tice would like in camp, and this was a clear way of letting him know he needs to improve.

    There are no other options. If the Bears thought Williams was a solution, they never would have pulled him off the left side. Undrafted free agent James Brown is intriguing but not as a left tackle in 2012. Starters don't suddenly appear on the waiver wire in late August. Webb is the guy, and the Bears knew that almost certainly would be the case back in the spring.

    Now they return to Olivet Nazarene University in Bourbonnais for a final week of camp. Don't expect a reconfigured line, but there ought to be a lot of work being put in.

    "He has every right to work us real hard this week," Spencer said. "We didn't do what we set out to do. Now we've got a place where you can look at where we are, and we know where we have to be. We have to be better."

    Otherwise, Tice always could pull a fan out of the crowd.
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    I posted this in the Donkey game thread but it fits this thread too. I'm watching the game for the 3rd time right now. For those who have the game recorded, run through the game watching the oline play - and taking time to slow mo, and stop action the oline work (really breaking down every single play). I think the right side or our oline had more problems than the left. Carimi got bulled around a bit on the right side, but looked "OK" for a young player with little NFL experience under his belt. Louis was no better than Spencer IMHO. Both can play better than they did last night.

    On the left side, Spencer was not so hot. Webb? Webb played a pretty decent game. One false start, but other than that he looked as good or better than anyone last night.

    This is my 3rd time through the game, watching Webb's every move. If you guys see something I don't, post it here. I'd like to cue it up and see it. He had a bad play at 8:31 left in the 1st half that ended up a sack, but Campbell can't hold on to the ball that long.

    He had a couple of ugly plays, but that was it - including that first series against the #1's of Denver (the drive where Campbell fumbles). I'm not trying to pump up Webb as being great. But I don't see a bad night last night (and certainly can't see evidence of anything other than a decent night's work for a 1st pre-season game.

    I'm all for Tice giving him a full game of reps. But that doesn't mean he sucked last night. They're just trying to get him max reps this off season to get his game where it needs to be. And I do "get it" that he's got to improve a lot this year.
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    Williams IS an option. If Webb stinks it up early on this season, then if Tice is smart, he sits him for an entire game. If that doesn't get his attention then the guy is a panty waste or is just here to collect a paycheck - and those are the guys that Ditka made a POINT of getting rid of when he came to the Bears :

    Ditka's first team meeting went something like this : " Guys were gonna separate the men from the boys. I wish I could say different but ......I've looked at the film. Some of you aren't gonna be here ".

    Just last year Tice said to Webb : " You're the biggest guy on the field . Start acting like it !"

    Either the guy truly WANTS to be a badass , or he's content with thinking " I work hard enough ".

    Playing O-line ISN'T that hard. If it's a run play you drive your man. If it's a pass play you stay in front of him. Either you have the ability or you don't. And the "we need to learn how to work together" crap is just a friggin cop-out .... cuz knowing your assignment isn't that hard either. This ain't brain surgery and these same-ole-same-ole excuses , coming outta this group are OLD.
    What should you call any : Fumble , Hold , Interception , Three and out , or Sack ?

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    I guess now they are going to put Williams back in the mix at LT. I guess because they never were going to let Williams win now they want to spet back and see what happens.

    I have the answer to our LT problems trade someone to some team that has a good back up LT and get rid of Webb and William if not now and the end of the season.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,1463054.story

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    Sounds good to me. This ain't a make or brake year for just Lovie.
    What should you call any : Fumble , Hold , Interception , Three and out , or Sack ?

    A " F.H.I.T.S " ? or a J'Marcus ?

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    I guess now they are going to put Williams back in the mix at LT. I guess because they never were going to let Williams win now they want to spet back and see what happens.

    I have the answer to our LT problems trade someone to some team that has a good back up LT and get rid of Webb and William if not now and the end of the season.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,1463054.story
    I like the idea of trading away Webb simply because he's dead weight and is a loafer. Webb should have never been drafted by us; his improvement over the past three seasons has been marginal to say the least, and his work ethic is, as I said in the sentence prior to this one, non-existent. I said this in another thread, and I think it bears mentioning again that Chris Williams has always done well at either T position in the limited time he's been placed at said positions. You can't expect him to be another Jimbo Covert right now because he's not been given the reps in either practices or games. But, he was a first round draft pick, and Webb was only a seventh rounder. There has to be something said about the difference in where each player was drafted and where he played his college ball because both usually affect one's development along the way to becoming a pro football player.

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    As it stands TODAY CWill would be a better pass blocker at LT than Webb and make fewer mental mistakes but the run game would suffer some with him at LT and basically neither of them is any better than a backup LT at best for most other teams. Neither one of these guys has stepped up to play at a consistently effective NFL starters role so far. Neither one seems to want the job all that badly or more likely neither has the necessary talent.

    As I posted elsewhere, give CWill his legit shot this week and let him take the majority of his reps at LT. Carimi is probably still not 100% as far as his strength goes because Gabe Carimi at 100% isn't gonna get pushed around by anyone so give Brown and Brandon RT reps to save some wear and tear on Carimi right now and forget about who's gonna protect Jay. Neither of those two will play when Jay's is in there any how. They pulled CWill off LT for a week to give Carimi some rest and better protection for Cutler when Carimi left the game and then didn't even play Cutler. Just when I was beginning to think this coaching staff had stopped doing stupid shit they prove me wrong.

    Tice is challenge to Webb was spot on. The guy is the size of a house and he needs to start playing up to his size instead of playing "Baby Huey" out there which is who he reminds me of. The kid needs more "attitude" and more brain cells. No wonder he loves tacos so much. It's an easy order, soft or hard, no other options! This is Webb's last shot at it. If he doesn't progress this year even after winning the competition then it's sayonara and we look to James Brown or maybe go after Jermon Bushrod in FA again and this time sign him. Forget drafting one who can start day one unless we're playing for a top ten pick this year instead of the SB.

    Living with Webb's deficiencies and moving CWill back to LG would still be the best strategy IMO. It took a few games before Spencer got a handle of RG last year but once he did he did OK. So what do we do? We move him and LG isn't the same as RG so he's gonna struggle a bit all over again while we play CWill out of position for still another year. Screw it! Put "Baby Huey" back at LT after CWill proves this week that he's no better at it and leave him there while you let a potentially more talented and hungrier James Brown crawl up his ass all season long.

    The writer thinks Brown won't be able to hack LT in 2012 and I say could he really be all that much worse than OMG or the guy whose been the worst OT in the NFL two years running? Let CWill play LG and if he has another good year there then extend his deal as a LG and stop shifting him around like he was a utility infielder for the Sox. Leave Webb where he is and give him some help from the TE just like we did last year and play the other four best and to me that seems like the same ones we started with in 2011.

    LT - Webb, LG - CWill, OC - Garza, RG - Louis, RT - Carimi.

    The either use Brown to backup at OT or sign a journeyman vet off the waiver wire and pray we don't need him. Move Spencer back to RG and let him compete with the other "Mr. Inconsistent" Lance Louis and put either Rachal or EWill behind CWill. There ya' go. The best five are starting and you have vet backup at every spot but OT and there I guess we'll just have to chance it and use Brown if somebody gets hurt. You gotta keep him on the roster anyway or somebody else will claim him on waivers so we might just as well get him ready to play by making him the swing tackle.

    This is my suggestion anyway.
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    I like the idea of trading away Webb simply because he's dead weight and is a loafer. Webb should have never been drafted by us; his improvement over the past three seasons has been marginal to say the least, and his work ethic is, as I said in the sentence prior to this one, non-existent. I said this in another thread, and I think it bears mentioning again that Chris Williams has always done well at either T position in the limited time he's been placed at said positions. You can't expect him to be another Jimbo Covert right now because he's not been given the reps in either practices or games. But, he was a first round draft pick, and Webb was only a seventh rounder. There has to be something said about the difference in where each player was drafted and where he played his college ball because both usually affect one's development along the way to becoming a pro football player.
    What team would give you anything for him Dags? You say we shouldn't even have drafted him so why would anyone else give up a pick for him? He's not a tradeable commodity my friend. You couldn't even get an empty beer case for him.
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    Beating a dead horse here (as always): Just take a good look at McNeill, and if he's not worth the roster space, so be it. I just don't have faith in the 33rd best LT, and I agree with Soul wholeheartedly on Williams: he's a damn good pulling G, but can get destroyed by the bull rush (anyone remember Haynesworth using him to sack Cutler?)


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    I'd have to go with:
    LT Cwill
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    C Kreutz
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