Wright: "Webb is the most physically gifted lineman on Chicago's roster"

**short faced bear** · 08-18-2012, 12:48 AM

No offense but who cares if he's released. He's gone from the chosen to the also-ran and in very short order. He is like a lion that cannot attack a porcupine. He cannot bring his "great", strength, size, athletic ability (technique to bear) so he is functionally dislocated.

20 years ago I would have marked out for this guy b/c of his size. But in todays NFL they are a dime a dozen. The prime-directive is to protect the QB. He is a failure at this. If he can't improve goodbye. There are more than enough years invested in a negative return.

I look at all the threads and I don't hear anyone swelling up on this guys arm punch, knee bend, kick slide, second level ability, or any other technical thing. Yet I hear "oh wait until he gets a full TC, it's in THIS year that LT gets it. Yada, yada, yada.

He can park it on the bench and work to improve. If he can't even do THAT-goodbye.

Please stop waxing poetic about this sukka

**bearsinhouston** · 08-18-2012, 10:11 AM

I'd like to give the kid another year here if the price is right. It is true that sometimes you have to cut your losses - just forget about the previous investments and focus on the future investments. However, with limited ability at the LT position and his potential, I'd like to see us continue to try and groom him for one more year.

**The Benjamin** · 08-18-2012, 10:41 AM

Physically gifted? Perhaps. Talented? Perhaps not.

You can take the best built body you can find, doesn't mean they can play the game

**JustAnotherBearsFan99** · 08-18-2012, 11:12 AM

The good news is that we should know a lot more tonight. The 'Skins are supposed to have a great pass rush. Let's see who steps up their game tonight. I think we'll "unofficially" know our LT for the season after this game. Tice won't let this linger beyond this point. Even if neither C.Will nor Webb is a clear winner, he'll probably make the choice after this game. Maybe announce it in a few days to make it official.

It will be great to just KNOW who the guy is going to be at LT.

Aug. 28: Roster cutdown to 80 players
Aug. 31: Roster cutdown to 53 players.

Three weeks until our Colts opener. We could see a couple of decent veteran oline guys cut by August 31st. If our line looks bad tonight, maybe we'll go after one of those guys.

**soulman** · 08-18-2012, 01:30 PM

Just what have we been saying all along. Either the kid doesn't learn because he won't devote the time to it or he can't learn quickly period. It's either A or B and no matter which neither bodes well for him to be able to take charge at LT now.

Michael C. Wright
Jim, don't be so hard on the Nation, who played at my alma mater. I'm gonna say that talent isn't a question with Webb. What is, though, is maturity. Webb is actually the most physically gifted lineman on Chicago's roster. His problems are mental more than anything.I've talked several times to Mike Tice about Webb, and the coach is very high on him from an athletic standpoint. But Webb is a guy who makes mental busts from time to time, and isn't always dilligent with his preparation. He's also a guy who goes into the dumps after having a bad play, which can't happen over the course of an NFL game. You have a bad play, you have to forget about it and move on to the next play. With Webb, sometimes those types of things snowball on him, leading to progressively worse performances throughout a game.

Most guys are three year projects as far as developing an NFL caliber LT. You may get good OG play out of guys sooner but OT, especially LT, has a longer and steeper learning curve. Webb could end up being a five year project instead of a three. So do we keep developing him and keep him around until he finally does "get it" or do we ship him off and let someone else get the benefit in year five "if" he finally does.

Let's face it, there is no quantum leap in the kid. He's slow learner which is exactly the reason why he could make it in Austin and ended up in "Amarillo By Morning" at West Bumfuck State. I truly believe he may be ADD which is also what adds to his goofiness and lack of maturity. J'Webb Nation, LMFAO!! How many 7th round draft picks playing as poorly as he have would even think to call attention to themselves like that? All he's doing is setting himself up for even more criticism and scorn but he doesn't seem to care. Guys, that is not the mark of an intelligent and mature human being.

If CWill can beat him out for the starting LT spot then I'm back to my original thought of letting him continue to develop for another year as a swing tackle and then see where we're at with him. If he improves by doing it that way then there's no sense in extending CWill at the price of a LT if Webb would be ready to take over next year. Then you either let CWill go to FA or make him an offer at an OG's pay and put him back at LG.

It seems that our problem now is that we have two half LTs and zero whole ones. I believe that as long as Webb continues to hold that spot that his maturity won't accelerate and that we'll still have problems with him throughout the year (probably why the want to leave CWill at swing just in case). Tice is gonna have to bite into a bitter bullet one way or the other. Either go with the smarter, less gifted player for a year and keep working on Webb or keep Webb there and live with his inconsistencies hoping he eventually outgrows them.

Does anyone else see another alternative? James Brown could be the guy but we won't know that until at least a year from now and if we play him now we're no better off than we are with either of the other two with the singular exception of getting CWill back at LG where he really belongs. I can understand Tice's frustration up to a point but this is a mess of his own creation.

Maybe instead of simply overlooking Webb's social networking stupidity he should move in with the kid and tutor him daily by just beating this shit into his head. Apparently it's too thick to get into his brain just by osmosis and repetition because he keeps fucking up in exactly the same ways every time he plays. It just seems to me like there's no end to it.

Well anyway that's my little rant about it. At some point Tice needs to decide what he's gonna do ala J'Webb. Eventually the "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" shit needs to end and we need a LT who can do his job 60 plays per game 16 games per year. End of story.

**motownbear** · 08-18-2012, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by short faced bear

No offense but who cares if he's released. He's gone from the chosen to the also-ran and in very short order. He is like a lion that cannot attack a porcupine. He cannot bring his "great", strength, size, athletic ability (technique to bear) so he is functionally dislocated.

20 years ago I would have marked out for this guy b/c of his size. But in todays NFL they are a dime a dozen. The prime-directive is to protect the QB. He is a failure at this. If he can't improve goodbye. There are more than enough years invested in a negative return.

I look at all the threads and I don't hear anyone swelling up on this guys arm punch, knee bend, kick slide, second level ability, or any other technical thing. Yet I hear "oh wait until he gets a full TC, it's in THIS year that LT gets it. Yada, yada, yada.

He can park it on the bench and work to improve. If he can't even do THAT-goodbye.

Please stop waxing poetic about this sukka

i fully agree

people are just enamored with this guy cause of his size cause it sure isnt from the skil level he has shown

**motownbear** · 08-18-2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by soulman

Just what have we been saying all along. Either the kid doesn't learn because he won't devote the time to it or he can't learn quickly period. It's either A or B and no matter which neither bodes well for him to be able to take charge at LT now.

Michael C. Wright
Jim, don't be so hard on the Nation, who played at my alma mater. I'm gonna say that talent isn't a question with Webb. What is, though, is maturity. Webb is actually the most physically gifted lineman on Chicago's roster. His problems are mental more than anything.I've talked several times to Mike Tice about Webb, and the coach is very high on him from an athletic standpoint. But Webb is a guy who makes mental busts from time to time, and isn't always dilligent with his preparation. He's also a guy who goes into the dumps after having a bad play, which can't happen over the course of an NFL game. You have a bad play, you have to forget about it and move on to the next play. With Webb, sometimes those types of things snowball on him, leading to progressively worse performances throughout a game.

Most guys are three year projects as far as developing an NFL caliber LT. You may get good OG play out of guys sooner but OT, especially LT, has a longer and steeper learning curve. Webb could end up being a five year project instead of a three. So do we keep developing him and keep him around until he finally does "get it" or do we ship him off and let someone else get the benefit in year five "if" he finally does.

Let's face it, there is no quantum leap in the kid. He's slow learner which is exactly the reason why he could make it in Austin and ended up in "Amarillo By Morning" at West Bumfuck State. I truly believe he may be ADD which is also what adds to his goofiness and lack of maturity. J'Webb Nation, LMFAO!! How many 7th round draft picks playing as poorly as he have would even think to call attention to themselves like that? All he's doing is setting himself up for even more criticism and scorn but he doesn't seem to care. Guys, that is not the mark of an intelligent and mature human being.

If CWill can beat him out for the starting LT spot then I'm back to my original thought of letting him continue to develop for another year as a swing tackle and then see where we're at with him. If he improves by doing it that way then there's no sense in extending CWill at the price of a LT if Webb would be ready to take over next year. Then you either let CWill go to FA or make him an offer at an OG's pay and put him back at LG.

It seems that our problem now is that we have two half LTs and zero whole ones. I believe that as long as Webb continues to hold that spot that his maturity won't accelerate and that we'll still have problems with him throughout the year (probably why the want to leave CWill at swing just in case). Tice is gonna have to bite into a bitter bullet one way or the other. Either go with the smarter, less gifted player for a year and keep working on Webb or keep Webb there and live with his inconsistencies hoping he eventually outgrows them.

Does anyone else see another alternative? James Brown could be the guy but we won't know that until at least a year from now and if we play him now we're no better off than we are with either of the other two with the singular exception of getting CWill back at LG where he really belongs. I can understand Tice's frustration up to a point but this is a mess of his own creation.

Maybe instead of simply overlooking Webb's social networking stupidity he should move in with the kid and tutor him daily by just beating this shit into his head. Apparently it's too thick to get into his brain just by osmosis and repetition because he keeps fucking up in exactly the same ways every time he plays. It just seems to me like there's no end to it.

Well anyway that's my little rant about it. At some point Tice needs to decide what he's gonna do ala J'Webb. Eventually the "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" shit needs to end and we need a LT who can do his job 60 plays per game 16 games per year. End of story.

im trying to think ofthe name maybe corey brandon? they say he has had the best camp from all the ol

**soulman** · 08-18-2012, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

The good news is that we should know a lot more tonight. The 'Skins are supposed to have a great pass rush. Let's see who steps up their game tonight. I think we'll "unofficially" know our LT for the season after this game. Tice won't let this linger beyond this point. Even if neither C.Will nor Webb is a clear winner, he'll probably make the choice after this game. Maybe announce it in a few days to make it official.

It will be great to just KNOW who the guy is going to be at LT.

Aug. 28: Roster cutdown to 80 players
Aug. 31: Roster cutdown to 53 players.

Three weeks until our Colts opener. We could see a couple of decent veteran oline guys cut by August 31st. If our line looks bad tonight, maybe we'll go after one of those guys.

Brother I don't want to pop your balloon but the chances of getting a decent enough LT to play out the year for us is about equal to Mick Jagger calling me to do the next Stones tour with them.

If a guy can still pass block in this league few if any teams would let him go. If one did get released then more than likely we'd just end up with another stiff who was just as bad or worse.

**JustAnotherBearsFan99** · 08-18-2012, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by soulman

Brother I don't want to pop your balloon but the chances of getting a decent enough LT to play out the year for us is about equal to Mick Jagger calling me to do the next Stones tour with them.

If a guy can still pass block in this league few if any teams would let him go. If one did get released then more than likely we'd just end up with another stiff who was just as bad or worse.

You never know. We are going to trim guys off our own roster who will be snatched up by other teams as soon as we let them go (especially at RB and WR). Some teams will be like us and have to grit their teeth and let go some talent, because they have BETTER talent that they have to keep. Same as us. Some of these will be oline players. I'm not saying we're going to get a pro-bowl guy.

Just a guy better than Webb & C.Will.

After watching the 1st half tonight, I think my grandma Thornton could out block those two. Aluminum walker and all.

**Dagan81** · 08-18-2012, 11:06 PM

That article did nothing to change my mind, and I'll rebut the part about Cedric "The Entertainer" Benson, too: he had already decided that he wasn't going to become a great player for us by all the trouble he kept getting himself into with the law and the lack of effort he put into practicing. While his play improved when he got to Cincinnati, his legal woes didn't. I'll be interested in what the Packers organization does about Benson when he decides to fuck up again.

That being said, I'm going to talk about Webb yet again. Webb has no one to blame but himself for the shit he got himself into when he was at the University of Texas. I think that had he played for the Longhorns, he would have turned out to be a very solid OT and would've been drafted highly, but he was such a fucking moron that he got booted not just off the squad, but out of the school as well. Unless he had some mental health issue or grew up in a bad environment as a child (which the latter might be likely while the former of the two probably isn't), there is no excuse for his blase, carefree attitude about how he approaches life.

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