Thread: We're in trouble.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

I hope you're right. It was one butt-ugly thing to watch. I know most folks watch the scores of these pre-season games. I only watch the players performance. It was a spectacle (and I'm usually a very positive guy). But this one was pure crap.

I know they all can play better - with the exception of the oline. They just don't look very talented. They look like what they are, a mish-mash cobbled together in hopes we can "get by" until Emery can fix this thing. It sure looked like "baling wire & twine" tonight. Butt ugly.

Like I've been saying all along that line can't get by just on it's talent brother. They need coordination right now a hell of a lot more than they need competition. They need to play together so Tice needs to get his 5 lined up.

This crazy fuckin' Chinese Merry-go-fucking-Round Fire Fucking Drill of a Musical Fucking Chairs Fucking Game for lineman shit is about as cockamamie of an idea as he's had so far. It needs to end and he needs to get his 5 best out there and working together. It's all about coordination when you lack talent so get it done. He's being as bullheaded about that line as Martz was about his passing game.

Originally Posted by soulman

Like I've been saying all along that line can't get by just on it's talent brother. They need coordination right now a hell of a lot more than they need competition. They need to play together so Tice needs to get his 5 lined up.

This crazy fuckin' Chinese Merry-go-fucking-Round Fire Fucking Drill of a Musical Fucking Chairs Fucking Game for lineman shit is about as cockamamie of an idea as he's had so far. It needs to end and he needs to get his 5 best out there and working together. It's all about coordination when you lack talent so get it done. He's being as bullheaded about that line as Martz was about his passing game.

Yes he does. This can't go on much longer. We've actually taken a step back this preseason over what the offensive line was like last season at this time, despite the fact that Tice is not running an offense predicated on the seven-step drop. We cannot afford to go back to the way we were in 2010 because we would then be wasting all that money on those talented skill players only to have them not be able to use their skills to their fullest potential. Cutler needs to have time, and I just don't see that happening right now. Unless we run the ball sixty percent of the time, our offense is going to be in trouble more often than it should be. The only thing good about our offensive line, so long as they have Chris Williams in at LG, is that it generally run blocks well. That didn't happen tonight until the third quarter, when Forte started raking off a few decent carries judging strictly from the box score.

When I started watching, the game was about 9 min in. The score was still 0-0, even without #54 it seemed the defense was holding it's own. On the Bears first scoring drive Jay looked incredible. For whatever reason, the bears kept trying to run forte up the gut, even after a total lack of success. The failings that happened later in the game can be assisted (not cured) with scheme. But it's the 3rd week of the preseason... the bears still have to evaluate talent (or the lack thereof). There is NO WAY IN HELL that ANY coach in the NFL is putting all his cards on the table this early. It would make it too much easier for opposing defenses to reveal too much of the offense.

It's only the 3rd week of preseason, while I understand the concern about the o-line, I still believe they will get better.

Originally Posted by XaosGorilla

When I started watching, the game was about 9 min in. The score was still 0-0, even without #54 it seemed the defense was holding it's own. On the Bears first scoring drive Jay looked incredible. For whatever reason, the bears kept trying to run forte up the gut, even after a total lack of success. The failings that happened later in the game can be assisted (not cured) with scheme. But it's the 3rd week of the preseason... the bears still have to evaluate talent (or the lack thereof). There is NO WAY IN HELL that ANY coach in the NFL is putting all his cards on the table this early. It would make it too much easier for opposing defenses to reveal too much of the offense.

It's only the 3rd week of preseason, while I understand the concern about the o-line, I still believe they will get better.

FINALLY!!! Someone who agrees with me!!! I've been trying to get across to people for the past few hours that all is not lost, and that we are still going to be a solid team this season. I think we can still win the NFC North, but we will have to coach these guys up and game plan accordingly in order to make all of these things work.

Originally Posted by Dagan81

Gentlemen, there were positives that came out of this game, if but only one or a few. One was that the first team offense came out in the second half and improved over what it did in the first half. I didn't watch the game in the second half as I was disgusted at what I witnessed after the blocked punt, but Cutler did manage to pass for what, 96-something yards on 9 of 21 passing attempts -- certainly not great by any means, but it did pick up in the second half? I think Forte even got like 39 yards on 10 carries, which is just a hair shy of 4.0 yards a carry. That's not that bad against a defense like the New York Giants.

Yeah....against their scrubs.

Lest we forget, Forte was 7 carries for THREE YARDS going into the half.

No matter how you try to sugar coat it, this game showed how pathetic our OL is. We have all the weapons to be a potent offense, but they remain behind lock and key, unloaded with the safeties on, all thanks to our magnanimous OL.

Originally Posted by Dagan81

Yes he does. This can't go on much longer. We've actually taken a step back this preseason over what the offensive line was like last season at this time, despite the fact that Tice is not running an offense predicated on the seven-step drop.

QFT

This oline has regressed. Not improved.

Originally Posted by Jimmors

Yeah....against their scrubs.

Lest we forget, Forte was 7 carries for THREE YARDS going into the half.

No matter how you try to sugar coat it, this game showed how pathetic our OL is. We have all the weapons to be a potent offense, but they remain behind lock and key, unloaded with the safeties on, all thanks to our magnanimous OL.

Exactly. I'm all for being "positive" but also, we need to be objective and truthful too. In pre-season the ending scores are meaningless. Who cares if our 2nd and 3rd string players beat their 2nd and 3rd stringers? It's all about how we execute against STARTERS.

We won't win games in the regular season, by having our scrubs beat scrubs. People have to get that straight in their heads. It's all about how good of a starting lineup we will put on the field against opponents starting lineup.

NY's starters imposed their will on us. They did anything they wanted. Anytime they wanted. And our starters rolled over and let them have their way. It was men against boys. And I defy anyone to OBJECTIVELY make a case otherwise.

We flat stunk.