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    I am in agreement. In looking at his previous positions, He was demoted twice I think? Methinks there was a reason. Also, the "meathead" moniker may have been well earned.

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    IMHO, C.Will was a decent pulling guard last year at LG. Actually, Spencer was decent too. Not great but decent. If they end up cutting C.Will, then I suspect they don't want to pay him.

    I've been hearing the hype about Tice being an oline guru. But when I see all of these head-scratching moves, and flip-flopping of players, my common sense is nagging me to question this. Is this just urban legend? Or, has the guy simply landed on a team that isn't capable of judging or getting decent oline talent? Who, or what is to blame here? Is it a "Jerry Angelo" thing?

    I'm beginning to doubt.

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    I am in agreement. In looking at his previous positions, He was demoted twice I think? Methinks there was a reason. Also, the "meathead" moniker may have been well earned.
    Tice was demoted twice? I didn't know that. I knew that he was the head coach of the Vikings in the early-mid 2000s and was around during the "Love Boat" scandal, which ultimately led to his firing. But how was he demoted? Did the Vikings keep him on and he was demoted? I know he went to Jacksonville and coached OL for a few years.

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    He went from HC to ASST HC
    Then he went from ASST HC to TE Coach


    Mike Tice's Coaching Career


    Years Role Place
    1978-80 Quarterback Maryland
    1981-93, '95 Tight end 3 NFL teams
    1996 Tight ends coach Vikings
    1997-2001 Off. line/Asst. head coach Vikings
    2002-05 Head coach Vikings
    2006 Asst. head coach Jaguars
    2007-09 Tight ends coach Jaguars
    2010-11 Off. line coach Bears
    2012 Off. coordinator Bears

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagan81 View Post
    Tice was demoted twice? I didn't know that. I knew that he was the head coach of the Vikings in the early-mid 2000s and was around during the "Love Boat" scandal, which ultimately led to his firing. But how was he demoted? Did the Vikings keep him on and he was demoted? I know he went to Jacksonville and coached OL for a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearsinhouston View Post
    He went from HC to ASST HC
    Then he went from ASST HC to TE Coach


    Mike Tice's Coaching Career


    Years Role Place
    1978-80 Quarterback Maryland
    1981-93, '95 Tight end 3 NFL teams
    1996 Tight ends coach Vikings
    1997-2001 Off. line/Asst. head coach Vikings
    2002-05 Head coach Vikings
    2006 Asst. head coach Jaguars
    2007-09 Tight ends coach Jaguars
    2010-11 Off. line coach Bears
    2012 Off. coordinator Bears
    He did such a great job improving the bears OL that we gave him the OC job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearsinhouston View Post
    He went from HC to ASST HC
    Then he went from ASST HC to TE Coach


    Mike Tice's Coaching Career


    Years Role Place
    1978-80 Quarterback Maryland
    1981-93, '95 Tight end 3 NFL teams
    1996 Tight ends coach Vikings
    1997-2001 Off. line/Asst. head coach Vikings
    2002-05 Head coach Vikings
    2006 Asst. head coach Jaguars
    2007-09 Tight ends coach Jaguars
    2010-11 Off. line coach Bears
    2012 Off. coordinator Bears
    Well, at least the Jaguars had the right idea for once in that franchise's pathetic existence.

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    He's a moron so what did people think he would say.

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    I believe Tice is in a win-win situation for him personally. If the line succeeds w/o virtually any upgrade he appears as a genius and is courted by the league. If it tanks he was in a lame-duck coaching situation and with a new GM that "didn't get all the tools he needed".

    Color me wrong but that's the only way I can interpret all the craziness.
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    Winning is important, and as I once wrote down on my Facebook, it's what builds moral fiber. Everything that a person does should be done so he or she can put himself in position to win at whatever it is that he is doing. If you don't do this, than you're a spineless guppy. I have no respect for people who don't try to win with some degree of consistency, and it really seems like sometimes that the Bears have, through the course of the past twenty-something years, not tried very hard to build up a winning foundation for their franchise.

    I don't wish to get all philosophical but winning is a very relative term. Winning, losing, tying, keeping score is all meaningless unless there is something to be learned from it. Be it character, problem solving, fortitude, tenacity, etc. There is an infinite sea of winners, losers, etc who gain nothing other than the mechanical aspect of competing and the perks it may offer. Many gain nothing from the experience, a few no matter record or score are shaped by it profoundly.

    I work w/kids who are completely obsessed with winning and forgetting to build anything from a win. I tell them "ok you win the next ten" then they start to think more relatively rather than absolutes.
    Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics, even if you win your still messed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by short faced bear View Post
    I don't wish to get all philosophical but winning is a very relative term. Winning, losing, tying, keeping score is all meaningless unless there is something to be learned from it. Be it character, problem solving, fortitude, tenacity, etc. There is an infinite sea of winners, losers, etc who gain nothing other than the mechanical aspect of competing and the perks it may offer. Many gain nothing from the experience, a few no matter record or score are shaped by it profoundly.

    I work w/kids who are completely obsessed with winning and forgetting to build anything from a win. I tell them "ok you win the next ten" then they start to think more relatively rather than absolutes.
    There's a very simple explanation in my head that I take with me wherever I go when I have to compete at something, whether it be academics or sports. Winning is all about building moral fiber, and just as important, it's about the survival of the fittest. It's very Darwinian in nature to want to win. You win because you want to live to evolve into something greater than what you, at the time of the competition, are already, ergo the part about moral fiber. If you're not evolving constantly, then you're not going to be as fit as you possibly can be with the rest of your life.

    I used to tell my Scholars' Bowl students that winning is fun, and that they should try to win at all cost. That being said, I also said that if you don't try to win, the end result is a lot of misery because you're looking up at the winners and wondering, "What could have been?" Losing is not a bad thing, for it builds humility, but rolling over and playing the part of the patsy is just foolish and, in my book, intolerable. If you're going to lose, lose with pride in the knowledge that you did your best to win at the competition.

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