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I agree he never stops. I have seen the spin move leave him buried on the inside of the line and loss responsibility for the outside. Not happy, but not sad with him. Says the right things and truly looks like he's trying to improve.Wieghtroom IS a must, But I ( ME ) do see someone who will be an NFL player SOMEWHERE. DE, MLB, OLB.
He's gonna learn that certain things he could do with impunity in college won't work in the pros and he will. Right now he just needs to play and figure that out.
I remember Marinelli telling is after one of his early and more disappointing practices that he was thinking too much. I believe they're been encouraging him to just go out and play, make his mistakes and learn to correct them.
It's true that in a defense that depends as much on gap control and discipline as the Bears does that you can't have him on the field every down free lancing and not doing that. So you use him when it's time to "turn the tiger loose" and let him do his "search and destroy" stuff.
If we can get a team in the hole and force them into passing nearly every down with that motor of his and his speed and relentlessness he could be a jewel. I think before the year is out Pep is gonna be very happy to have him around. Both players will be far more rested at the end of the game when we need to bring that rush.
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Mc was a huge reach at 19, mid round 1ster's should be more then situational players. Guess we'll see what he does in the reg season, but it hasn't been looking good, he's not getting better, and to think once teams get tape on him he'll improve is a bit foolish. He was never strong enough to be a hand on the ground speed guy. I really hope they tranisiton him to SAM next year or we move to a 3-4.
Alshon made up for it though, this is a legit 2nd round steal, he's going to make this O that much better this year. He'll make an instant impact.
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I think Shea is a true football player and will succeed. Whether or not he can succeed at DE depends on his work ethic (which I think he has) and the ability of his coaches to see his deficiencies and work with him in the appropriate manner to get him to grow. I think Marinelli can do this.
He is still playing hesitant at the beginning. He is trying to see too much of the field (like a LB). He needs to just come out of his stance and GO! No hesitation and then after that he needs to use his instinctiveness and talent to shed the tackle. He is not doing that right now. Partly because he seems to be holding back (unsure of himself/hesitant to make a mistake/thinking too far in advance as to what the OT will do, etc). Part of it is that when he does engage, he still does not have all his countermoves down and he is simply not strong enough yet.
I expect most of these if not all of these to be remedied by the end of next season. IMO, we needed an immediate impact DE and Shea was not the guy. We may in fact have a top notch DE in him, but those won't be proven until he has a chance to work his game and add muscle in the off season. So he is still a question mark in my mind as to whether he will be a top DE.
I think he would be a really good LB, but that is not why he is here, so it remains to be seen as to who we get next year and what that means positionally for people like Shea.
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I trust Emery completely here. Shea will be a monster, just wait.
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Right now just the name Alshon makes me excited. Looking forward to following his career and like any rookie the page is still blank.
With Shane I guess I'm not sure what everyone was expecting. I think he has had good preseason and can't wait to see him out on the field. The initial reports coming out of camp were negative, and I just have not seen it during preseason. Playing the run does need some work, and hell he needs to improve all the way around period. McClellin would be the first to tell you that...
The beauty is that it sure looks like he has room to grow, the willingness, and desire to improve. You can say the same thing about most players, it is the NFL after all, but it still shouldn't be taken for granted. I am just not seeing a draft bust here, and can see him being useful right now.
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Originally Posted by
A-11 Right now just the name Alshon makes me excited. Looking forward to following his career and like any rookie the page is still blank.
With Shane I guess I'm not sure what everyone was expecting. I think he has had good preseason and can't wait to see him out on the field. The initial reports coming out of camp were negative, and I just have not seen it during preseason. Playing the run does need some work, and hell he needs to improve all the way around period. McClellin would be the first to tell you that...
The beauty is that it sure looks like he has room to grow, the willingness, and desire to improve. You can say the same thing about most players, it is the NFL after all, but it still shouldn't be taken for granted. I am just not seeing a draft bust here, and can see him being useful right now.
which is great w/the 2nd or later rounds that's an excellent pick. But w/the mid round first or earlier you need a legit potential starter, and so far he is not showing that.
And lest we not forget, Emery thought we was a 4 down player that could play left or right side, now he's a situational pass rusher:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/telan...s-a-curve.html
“Obviously, it helps fill a need for us,’’ said rookie Emery, who is running his first draft. “This is a four-down player’’ who “could line up on the right or left.’’
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I believe Jeffery is the immediate impact guy. He's been humble, learns fast, does everything asked, and has lost weight. I would like to see him add a bit more muscle in the weight room, I think he could be downright unstoppable then.
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I completely agree with ric here the 19th pick should be a guy we can use and be excited about now not in 3 years
Again I think emery had his mind made up pick 19 was going to be a DE and he swung and missed
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Well, IIRC there were rumors that both GB and NE were giving Shea serious consideration for their first draft pick. GB was picking 28th(?) and NE may well have moved up to 20 in an effort to draft Shea. If 2 of the 3 best drafting teams in the NFL are saying he was worth a late first round pick, then odds are he actually is worth the pick, from a pure talent perspective.
Now whether DE is the best position for Shea is subjective. But with his high speed, nonstop motor, and ability to pack on more muscle, there is a lot of room for improvement. Thinking back to the draft, I don't recall seeing a DE available at #19 that was clearly as good or better than Izzy/Pep.
Further, all the Bears really needed was a situational pass rusher. While the Bears have been looking for someone for that role (Wooten, Davis, to name a pair off the top of my head) that has not been working so well for the Bears has it? By picking Shea, Emery has (most likely) given the team the situational pass rusher that it needed now, while adding a player that is highly likely to develop into a legit starter. Whether that position is DE or LB may actually still be up in the air.
I can't think of ANY gm for whom every first round pick of his last 10 years all went on to be year one starters who then held that starting position for the rest of their careers.
Would I like for Shea to be a better player right now? Absolutely. Did the Bears reach on this pick? When I consider whether Shea is an ideal fit for DE, maybe. On the other hand, Shea has the talent and tangibles to be a starter for the bears somewhere.
Imagine if the Bears had drafted another J'marcus Russel? or Cedric Benson? or even a C. Will? Not entirely fair in C.Wills case I realize, but it highlights my point.
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Grizzblue I completely agree with ric here the 19th pick should be a guy we can use and be excited about now not in 3 years
Again I think emery had his mind made up pick 19 was going to be a DE and he swung and missed
Well like I said I am excited to see Shane play this week, not years from now. I see where your coming from Grizz, but what do we really know? They have not even stepped up to the plate, season starts tonight.
Right now I am just not sold that Chandler Jones or Whitney Mercilus would have been a better selection. I don't think Bruce Irvin or Quinton Coples will end up being that much better either. Time is the only thing that will offer an accurate projection. We all want impact right now, I understand. But it is not like Shane didn't get pressure or a sack this preseason either, so I'm not buying the Bears having struck out. Not yet anyways, not by a long shot...
I just finished up another fantasy draft, and you can see the swings from year to year. You gotta like the pegs on those lists, I believe Shane's a peg.
I am not buying the available savior for the O Line at the 19th spot either. Interior help I'll bite, but even then the very top prospects sometimes struggle with tackle.
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