Thread: Packers' downfield passing has plummeted to the absolute bottom of the NFL

Originally Posted by Dagan81

I don't know enough about the Packers defense outside of Charles Woodson (the son of a witch who stole the Heisman Trophy from Peyton Manning) and Tramon (sp?) Williams to say, but I can't believe how much that defense has fallen apart since the 2010 season. That 2010 defense was every bit as good as the Bears and maybe even a little better since it had some semblance of a pass rush. Our defense regressed last year mainly because it was left out on the field by an ineffective offense, but I really don't know what to make of the Packers defense. Did losing Cullen Jenkins hurt that much? You've still got Raji, Pickett, Matthews, and Hawk anchoring the front seven, but I also see that Bishop is on injured reserve according the Packers' website. What gives? Do you know?

So far 2010 seems to be the anomaly for Capers defense. We have regressed massively since the 2010 season while personnel wise we haven't changed that much.

Woodson stole the Heisman like he stole the ball from countless players in games. He's the only primarily defensive player to ever win it for a reason. Having said that, he's a shell of his former self which I started noticing last season. He's constantly out of place and has started to get burned by receivers due to losing speed. He still has more than enough ability to make plays and is still the best ball hawker on the team (which sadly isn't saying much).

Tramon Williams is coming off of a nerve injury that massively hampered his play last season as he wasn't able to jam receivers effectively which was what made him great the previous season. He showed flashes of that in the niners game, but needs to improve.

I didn't think losing Jenkins would hurt as much as it did, but apparently he was either the cog that made the defense turn or he somehow absorbed the talent of everyone around him and took it out the door with him.

Losing Nick Collins (who was one of the best safeties in the league) was a massive blow as we currently have some very young inexperienced guys playing back there now.

Raji is ineffective as he constantly gets pushed back and loses ground, although it doesn't help that we have two mediocre ends on either side of him at any given time. Pickett is old, Hawk actually made a play vs the niners (I actually almost crapped my pants when I saw it), losing Bishop for the season was a huge blow to our run defense.

Basically the only consistent guy we have is CM3, and he can't possibly do everything by himself. Perry has gotten some good pressure, however he looks terribly awkward in coverage. He definitely needs time to develop in the brand new position we thrust him into.

Davon House showed some definite promise in preseason before getting hurt and he should be back sometime soon. He was looking to take the 2nd CB spot which hopefully he will have by mid-season and save me from the aneurysm that would ensue if Bush is the starter all season.

Originally Posted by Evernight

So far 2010 seems to be the anomaly for Capers defense. We have regressed massively since the 2010 season while personnel wise we haven't changed that much.

Woodson stole the Heisman like he stole the ball from countless players in games. He's the only primarily defensive player to ever win it for a reason. Having said that, he's a shell of his former self which I started noticing last season. He's constantly out of place and has started to get burned by receivers due to losing speed. He still has more than enough ability to make plays and is still the best ball hawker on the team (which sadly isn't saying much).

Tramon Williams is coming off of a nerve injury that massively hampered his play last season as he wasn't able to jam receivers effectively which was what made him great the previous season. He showed flashes of that in the niners game, but needs to improve.

I didn't think losing Jenkins would hurt as much as it did, but apparently he was either the cog that made the defense turn or he somehow absorbed the talent of everyone around him and took it out the door with him.

Losing Nick Collins (who was one of the best safeties in the league) was a massive blow as we currently have some very young inexperienced guys playing back there now.

Raji is ineffective as he constantly gets pushed back and loses ground, although it doesn't help that we have two mediocre ends on either side of him at any given time. Pickett is old, Hawk actually made a play vs the niners (I actually almost crapped my pants when I saw it), losing Bishop for the season was a huge blow to our run defense.

Basically the only consistent guy we have is CM3, and he can't possibly do everything by himself. Perry has gotten some good pressure, however he looks terribly awkward in coverage. He definitely needs time to develop in the brand new position we thrust him into.

Losing Collins and Bishop REALLY hurt the team. I give you that. But your GM is a WIZZARD at gettting players. MAYBE, Tice stoled some of that magic to use on the BEARS OL? lol


When I saw Bishop go down, I thought of it as BU going down for the BEARS for the season, AGAIN.

Originally Posted by Evernight

So far 2010 seems to be the anomaly for Capers defense. We have regressed massively since the 2010 season while personnel wise we haven't changed that much.

Woodson stole the Heisman like he stole the ball from countless players in games. He's the only primarily defensive player to ever win it for a reason. Having said that, he's a shell of his former self which I started noticing last season. He's constantly out of place and has started to get burned by receivers due to losing speed. He still has more than enough ability to make plays and is still the best ball hawker on the team (which sadly isn't saying much).

Tramon Williams is coming off of a nerve injury that massively hampered his play last season as he wasn't able to jam receivers effectively which was what made him great the previous season. He showed flashes of that in the niners game, but needs to improve.

I didn't think losing Jenkins would hurt as much as it did, but apparently he was either the cog that made the defense turn or he somehow absorbed the talent of everyone around him and took it out the door with him.

Losing Nick Collins (who was one of the best safeties in the league) was a massive blow as we currently have some very young inexperienced guys playing back there now.

Raji is ineffective as he constantly gets pushed back and loses ground, although it doesn't help that we have two mediocre ends on either side of him at any given time. Pickett is old, Hawk actually made a play vs the niners (I actually almost crapped my pants when I saw it), losing Bishop for the season was a huge blow to our run defense.

Basically the only consistent guy we have is CM3, and he can't possibly do everything by himself. Perry has gotten some good pressure, however he looks terribly awkward in coverage. He definitely needs time to develop in the brand new position we thrust him into.

Davon House showed some definite promise in preseason before getting hurt and he should be back sometime soon. He was looking to take the 2nd CB spot which hopefully he will have by mid-season and save me from the aneurysm that would ensue if Bush is the starter all season.

I will argue until I'm in my grave that Peyton Manning should have won the Heisman Trophy in 1997 because without him, Tennessee doesn't win the SEC or play for the National Championship down in the Orange Bowl, much less win more than 7 games that year because the rest of the team was average to say the least. I think Woodson made some difference for Michigan, but Michigan still had a great defense outside of just him. Of course, Michigan only averaged scoring about 27 points per game that year, which is not a lot in college.

I do have a question for you. What is going on with Jerel Worthy? I had forgotten that you all drafted him in like the 2nd Round of this year's draft. Is he starting, or is he sort of taking a year to "red shirt"?

Originally Posted by Evernight

The Heisman really isn't an MVP trophy though is it? I don't follow college football much, but I always thought it was a trophy given to the best college football player overall, not necessarily the one that's most valuable to their team.

Worthy made some plays in preseason, but I don't know that he's ready for a starting role quite yet. I wasn't specifically looking for him in the niners game (mostly because I couldn't see specific players because I was watching from far away on a crappy TV) but I don't think he played many, if any, snaps (or at least he had no stats if he did). I think he'll probably see an increased role as the season goes on and depending on how he develops may be a starter next season.

If your the most vauled player on your team, you WIN more games the NOT, MVP? Just saying. If your average/ ubove average team and A player makes you a WINNER, isn't that an MVP? Not trying to decice on PM or RW, just saying.

Originally Posted by Evernight

You can be the most valued player on a crappy team and still lose games, however if one player makes you a winner then yes I'd say that would make them an MVP.

FAIR. But does the team win as many games without PM, as to without RW?