Thread: Jay Cutler

But 'leaders' aren't supposed to speak up ... they're supposed to lay down . That's the history of 'leaders' . W O W

I agree with that frontrunner attitude...that when things are going well, Jay is happy and performs well, but when things go bad, Jay gets pissy and makes alot of mistakes, making things worse.

However, i still believe he is the QB to lead the Bears to a Championship, he just needs a better OL.

Originally Posted by little bear

For the past three years the whole offensive line has been treated with respect and still hasn't done anything to earn that respect. Sometimes yelling is necessary in order to warn them.

Yep, as the saying goes: "Respect is EARNED, not given"

The line as a whole failed miserably against the Packers and Webb as the weakest link being targeted by many of us. I do not see how continuing to play the weakest link on our franchise QB's blindside is realistically the only option we have at this point... especially so early into the season. Da Bears have been jerry-rigging (angelo pun intended) with the offensive line for numerous years now and yes a four player swing is drastic, but I don't see how we can continue to put this current combination out there and expect different results (especially against the pass rushers we face in our division).

Tice as repeatedly said Gabe is the best athlete we have on the line and I don't see why the best player is not at the anchor position. I agree Louis wasn't the greatest RT as the season wore on, but I much rather have Cutler seeing the potential threat in front of him than with the current situation of him not having any trust in the individual that supposed to have his back.

Solution A... This was the philosophy that Tice was supposed to be carrying into the season (regardless of if it was against 1st rate competition or not), but apparently the bar was raised a little too high.

Solution B... The preseason game against the Giants ended all talk of putting Chris Williams back in at LT. Sadly he's a downgrade from Webb.

Solution C... apparently the only 'realistic' option we have. But who has faith in the man who went from non-injury IR for failing his physical with the Lions to being activated after passing on his several attempts then injuring his knee the next day and cut soon after. Just more throwing of other team's unused sh#t on the wall and hoping it sticks.

So yes... guess we wait for next off-season after another unfilled season, which somehow probably will let Lovie keep his job (thanks Virginia) and probably yet another offensive coordinator in our near future.

Originally Posted by 4DaBERS

Terry, Your Left Tackle was Jon Kolb, who was OUTSTANDING for 12 years and your Center, Mike Webster is in the Hall of Fame.

Ever think that maybe they performed so well because they respected their QB? They didn't want to let him, and thus the team, down?

JC didn't pick on Webb for a BAD game, he picked on him cause Webb is a BAD LT. It wasn't one game ,it's been Webb career, that JC is mad about.

Originally Posted by draw2anderson35

Solution A... This was the philosophy that Tice was supposed to be carrying into the season (regardless of if it was against 1st rate competition or not), but apparently the bar was raised a little too high.

Solution B... The preseason game against the Giants ended all talk of putting Chris Williams back in at LT. Sadly he's a downgrade from Webb.

Solution C... apparently the only 'realistic' option we have. But who has faith in the man who went from non-injury IR for failing his physical with the Lions to being activated after passing on his several attempts then injuring his knee the next day and cut soon after. Just more throwing of other team's unused sh#t on the wall and hoping it sticks.

So yes... guess we wait for next off-season after another unfilled season, which somehow probably will let Lovie keep his job (thanks Virginia) and probably yet another offensive coordinator in our near future.

I'm not proposing the "same 5 combination" as we currently have. I'm proposing CW at LG and Spencer on the bench. We did pretty well mid-last year with basically that combination (even with Carimi out).

Option A (yeah this is a bitter pill I know) is the only option I see as plausible. It hasn't yet been tried (properly). Tice utterly fucked that up last game and we all know it. He pulled a "Martz Jr" there and forgot all the lessons we had learned the hard way the last 2 seasons just because Webb had a nice game vs 2nd rate competition week 1 and Jay had fun airing it out to his new toys. Really pisses me off how short the memories of our OCs get after we have a nice passing game against a shit team. Everything suddenly gets forgotten and we re-invent the wheel all over again.

I threw Options B & C out there mainly as straw men...CW is a shit LT (yes, worse than Webb) and I doubt Scott is anything better.

I'm afraid you're right on the last point. There's nothing personnel-upgrade-wise Emery can do until then and he accomplished all he could last year in other needed areas. We were counting on Webb coming into his own in his 3rd year and last week showed that probably ain't ever gonna happen. As far as a new OC goes, I'll give Tice a chance to show that he can learn (re-learn actually) faster than Mad Martz ever did, but if he doesn't adjust a lot faster and more wisely, then I'm all for showing him the door too.