Thread: Jay Cutler

Except for guys like Rodges who had more sacks going into last Thursdays 1/2 then Cutler did, and both Rodgers and Big Ben, who don't have NEAR the amount of shit games that Cutler does over the same three year period where they were sacked just as much as he was.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

I disagree, it will be something else then. It will be the OC, or the D is no longer what it used to be; the deflection some of the fans give him is equally as bad as the crap thrown at him.

It's a huge assumption that fans will make excuses for poor play no matter what. He has spent the last three years with the worst offensive line in football and the the worst set of receivers in football. He took them to the NFC championship one year and would have gone back to the playoffs last year if not for breaking his thumb. Yes, he should have played better in many games, but nobody had to deal with the crap he did. He actually has a good set of receivers this year. Still has a terrible line, but good receivers, at least. That's a start. Let's give him more than two games to see what he can do with actual NFL receivers. And hey, maybe next year they can get him an average offensive line, too!

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Except for guys like Rodges who had more sacks going into last Thursdays 1/2 then Cutler did, and both Rodgers and Big Ben, who don't have NEAR the amount of shit games that Cutler does over the same three year period where they were sacked just as much as he was.

OK, you're right. They actually play better when defenders are in their face every snap.

In reading this, a question came to me (no, not alcohol induced). The number of sacks may have been the same, but I wonder if they had time most of the other times. In other words, are the hurries and hits and sacks about the same for all three? The three together kind of give a better idea of the constant duress that a QB was under more than just sacks. Obviously, sacks is a main part of it, but I wonder what the comparison might be when you consider all three?

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Rog; not sure how long you've been on the internet, more specifically the chiago bears message boards, but if you were around for the Rex/Orton wars you would know that my statement is VERY true. Rex took them to the SB, Orton got them to the playoffs as a unprepared rookie. There have always been excuses made for the qb's in this team, it was RT's fault, it was the WR's fault, it was the OL's fault etc etc. While some of that is true it's only part of the problem. The qb's are not near as good as fans think they are also.

While it's a safe assumption we would have made it to the playoffs last year it's not guaranteed by any means.

Again Since He's been in chicago Rodgers and Ben Rothlisberger have both been sacked like he has and they don't have the level of or the amount of poor games he does; so explain to me again why it's not his fault? Again go back and look at his time in Denver, there is only a slight increase in his to's while everything else has remained steady; what is the excuse for that? It's not all OC/OL, it's him too. It's his inability to handle the pressure, and part of that comes from a shit attitude.

I think you think I don't like Cutler or want him gone, I dont. I want him to be the elite player his ceiling shows he can be, but that won't happen while he's got a penchent for turning the ball over at the rate he always had and while his floor is so much lower then other elite players floors are.

Yttoc, I'm not saying he hasn't had help; but it's this dismisal of any fault of JC that is baffeling. Again his #'s have not gone up or down that much since his time in Denver why is that? Stop blaming the entire issue on the OL, WR's, and coaches when it also has to do w/Jay.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/09/...lers-clunkers/


Shepkowski: A Deeper Look At Cutler’s ClunkersBy Nick Shepkowski-

(CBS) Same story, different day.
The Bears play their biggest rival and their first true “franchise quarterback” in the NFL’s modern era lays yet another golden egg. Now in his fourth year as a Chicago Bear, Cutler now sits just 1-7 in his career against the Packers as he’s thrown 16 interceptions and just 8 touchdowns in those 8 games.
Last night’s flub ended with Cutler going just 11 of 27 while throwing 4 interceptions and accumulating a quarterbacking rating of just 28.8. Woof.
The problem with Cutler’s awful performance wasn’t that he was seen screaming at J’Marcus Webb – legendary quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have done before and will the same thing to their teammates and coaches.
The problem with Jay Cutler’s clunker of a game is that it happens way too frequently, regardless of what’s around him.
Last night was the fifth time Cutler’s quarterback rating finished under 40 since he was traded to the Bears prior to the 2009 season; a period that includes 45 starts (2 in playoffs). One in nine games isn’t bad, right?

Try this – in that same time Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub all haven’t had one game with a rating under 40. Furthermore, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and even the often criticized Tony Romo and Michael Vick’s have had just one. Matthew Stafford has had two in that time (often injured but both in rookie season) and Joe Flacco has put up under-40 duds four times (twice in the 2009 playoffs).What about if you move the number up to 50, are some of these guys just barely escaping the horrendous numbers Cutler accumulates?
No. It gets worse.
Since the 2009 season Peyton Manning, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, and Schaub haven’t had an under-50 quarterback rating in a regular season game while both Brady and Roethlisberger each put up an under-50 effort in the AFC Playoffs over the past 3+ seasons.
Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan and Michael Vick have each had just one such outing since 2009 (Vick didn’t start in Philadelphia until 2010) and Eli Manning and Tony Romo have each had two such performances in that stretch (note – Romo only had 2 pass attempts in one of his).
Matt Stafford and Joe Flacco have had 6 such outings in that time but it should be noted that five of Stafford’s came in his rookie season while four of Flacco’s came in just his second year in the NFL.
Where does Cutler fall in?
Keep going.
Since Jay Cutler was traded to the Bears in 2009 he has had 9 games his quarterback rating has failed to reach 50. That number is equal to how many under-50 rating games Peyton Manning (0), Tom Brady (1), Drew Brees (0), Ben Roethlisberger (1), Matt Ryan (1), Aaron Rodgers (1), Matt Schaub (1), Eli Manning (2) and Tony Romo (2) have combined to have.
Let that sink in for a second.
You can go ahead and place all the blame on the offensive line as they didn’t do much of anything to protect Cutler last night, you can place it on Brandon Marshall dropping a sure touchdown pass and you can place it on a game plan that didn’t run the ball enough early on. All of those things are fine to do, but don’t let yourself dismiss #6 from his more than justified criticism.
Follow Nick Shepkowski on Twitter @Shep670 for all kinds of Bears stats and information throughout the season.


This is not about absolving the OL or the WR's or the coaches, they have done nothing to really help Cutler, but Cutler IS part of the problem too, His floor is worse then the other qb's floors even though his ceiling is equally as high. He needs to bring up the floor. Some of that will come w/a better OL some of that will come w/a better WR core and better play calling. But some of that HAS to come from JC being better when under pressure. All these qb's have multiple games where people have been in their face(romo has had to run for his life since being a starter in Dal), Ben/Rodgers both sacked equally as much as Cutler since he arrived in chi-town. And Cutler's #'s are not so drastically worse then his time in Denver(only the td/to ratio have changed and not by huge amounts). Cutler has to learn how to handle pressure better and make better decisions.

ok, so I found some interesting stats.

Cutler is rated #13 (17.3%) at avoiding sacks based on the amount of pressures against him.

Big Ben is rated #23 (21.6%) and Rogers is rated #25(22.8%).

The thing is that these stats also say that Cutler was only pressured 133 times and some other QBs were pressured as high as 244 times (in 2011). This indicates that Cutler enjoyed more pressure free throws than others, yet I also saw that the Chicago Ol was rated dead last, so I'm not readily able to reconcile all of these figures.