Thread: Did you ever notice?

I started a thread a few minutes ago regarding my beliefs on what is going on with the Bears and in particular Jay Cutler. I said that Cutler is reminding me of Jeff George, which is an echoing of sentiment from certain football analysts who have been around for a long time and would know about this sort of thing. Cutler blames other teammates very publicly for poor play, including calling out the offensive line to the media on more than one occasion this past spring and summer when he could have been showing support. Look at what he did last night during the game: he blasted Webb and even pushed him with his shoulder in total anger and disgust because Webb gave up a sack. Now granted, Webb hasn't ingratiated himself to Bears fans over the first three years of his career, but he IS your left tackle, and embarrassing on national TV will ultimately lead him to not want to work so hard blocking for you in the future. Shame on Jay Cutler, who I believe to be a hothead.

I think we can control our fate this season if certain things go our way, but Mike Tice is going to have to change his strategy significantly. First of all, he's going to have to run, run, run, and then run some more if he's going to want to throw the ball deep with playaction passes or on hitches and go-routes. This team may not be able to throw the ball more than 25 or 30 times per game, and if that's so, that's okay. We need to run the football in order to win. That is how we did it in 2005 despite the poor overall performance of the offense that season. The defense has looked marvelous in the first two games; I think the performance by the Bears' defense last night was the best I've seen it in at least three years, since the loss to the Packers in the NFC Championship Game as a matter of fact. Most likely, if we are to have success this season, it will all hinge on how the defense does.

Personally, I think Cutler is a talented quarterback, but he's got a few screws loose in his head, and he has a poor concept of what team unity is. My dad watched the game for part of the night and said that if he were Lovie Smith, he would have benched Cutler not because of his poor play, but because of how he was berating linemen and wide receivers on the field and the sidelines. To me, that is inexcusable behavior that must be corrected by Lovie Smith (i.e. - threaten to bench Cutler). Cutler, per his Vanderbilt pedigree, has an ego the size of Mount Everest, and he needs to be knocked down a few notches. Again, it is inexcusable to treat your fellow teammates that way when they are doing the best they can to keep the ebb and flow of the game going as much in the team's favor as is humanly possible.

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

I know that no one likes losing. I get that no one likes losing to the Packers. But did you ever notice how everyone ALWAYS over reacts to every loss the Bears chalk up? People always stomp around, pound the table to talk for hours and days about how bad the Bears are, how everyone sucks, how the coaches should be fired, how this guy or that guy should be cut.... blah blah blah.

And that is just for a regular game that is not against the Packers. When the Bears lose to the Packers, it is even worse. God, the way most people are talking and reacting to this ONE loss makes me miss DB. As much as a tool bag he was, he also found SOMETHING good to build off of.

Yes, it was a loss to the Packers. It was a bad and embarrassing loss to our biggest rival. But step off the damn ledge.

BEAR DOWN!

Your Jedi tricks will not work on me young Skywalker.

Winning is winning...doesnt matter how you win, only matters that you do.

However...there are many different types of losing. Had this been an offensive back and forth shootout and we lost 41 to 35...that would be ok. Had this continued like the first quarter and been a defensive battle and we had lost 10-6...that would be ok too. But this was neither of those. We lost ugly, and the uglier you lose, the more "outraged" fans will be. Especially when the keys to the loss are the same thing weve been bitching about for YEARS now: namely the offensive line.

We can see the problem, every one can see the problem, yet the Bears decide to ignore this problem and this game is exactly what happens. And its attitudes such as yours that the Bears are banking on...this "oh well, its just one game, nothing is wrong, its gonna be ok" stuff. But its NOT ok. If we struggle heavily against the Packers, who in turn lost the 49ers...then how can we expect to beat either of them in the playoffs?

Yes...still alot games left, and anything can happen. But if this is the OL we are gonna be stuck with, then its not looking too good for us in January. Hope they can bounce back, i really do. But some of us are not convinced thanks to this performance Thursday night.

You want a positive Benji? The pass rush kicked ass last night. That's the best job I've seen them do against Rodgers in a long time and they'll get better as the season progresses.

Now the real reason for all the pissing and moaning is that we get beat by the same team the same way every time we play them. This wasn't anything more than a variation on a theme. Until we find a way to pass block against that rush or scheme around it the results will be the same.

We've lost 8 of the last 9 games against them and the scene does not change. Plain and simple this teams is always under prepared to play them and we were again last night. So what does that tell you? It tells me that we still haven't come up with a game plan and the proper execution of it to beat them.

The defense did their job well enough to win but the offense never does. You can't win when you set out to pass the ball and yet you can't protect you're QB. Tice's mandate was to run the ball and protect the QB. Last night we didn't do either enough. It's like Webb. You think that one of these days the light will go on in his skulls and he'll figure out how to handle a speed rush but he never does.

The Packers blitz the ever loving shit out of us and you figure that this time we'll be prepared for that and burn them with it but we don't make them pay for those gambles. So how may times will it take before they figure that one out? It was a bad game plan and it was poorly executed but once again expecting players who have never shown an ability to handle that blitz to magically do it this time was pretty short sighted. Man, I thought Martz was still calling plays.

I can hire the best managers and employees in the world but if I hand them a poor business plan the company will fail and go bankrupt. They were poorly prepared for last nights game and got out coached again. It's really that simple and it won't change until we approach them differently.

Originally Posted by soulman

You want a positive Benji? The pass rush kicked ass last night. That's the best job I've seen them do against Rodgers in a long time and they'll get better as the season progresses.

Now the real reason for all the pissing and moaning is that we get beat by the same team the same way every time we play them. This wasn't anything more than a variation on a theme. Until we find a way to pass block against that rush or scheme around it the results will be the same.

We've lost 8 of the last 9 games against them and the scene does not change. Plain and simple this teams is always under prepared to play them and we were again last night. So what does that tell you? It tells me that we still haven't come up with a game plan and the proper execution of it to beat them.

The defense did their job well enough to win but the offense never does. You can't win when you set out to pass the ball and yet you can't protect you're QB. Tice's mandate was to run the ball and protect the QB. Last night we didn't do either enough. It's like Webb. You think that one of these days the light will go on in his skulls and he'll figure out how to handle a speed rush but he never does.

The Packers blitz the ever loving shit out of us and you figure that this time we'll be prepared for that and burn them with it but we don't make them pay for those gambles. So how may times will it take before they figure that one out? It was a bad game plan and it was poorly executed but once again expecting players who have never shown an ability to handle that blitz to magically do it this time was pretty short sighted. Man, I thought Martz was still calling plays.

I can hire the best managers and employees in the world but if I hand them a poor business plan the company will fail and go bankrupt. They were poorly prepared for last nights game and got out coached again. It's really that simple and it won't change until we approach them differently.

They're smarter than us pure and simple .... and they execute better .


( And i'm not quoting 2 posts so i think Cutty's outburst has been brewing for a long time, and he has tried to be positive and supportive .... last week ring any bells ? . So, while I'd bet he wishes he could have the Webb moment back - i'd hardly call it inexcusable . That's too strong . )

We all know it's a long season & anything can happen. To be honest I think our Bears will rebound & I expect them to make the playoffs. I also think we have a good locker room regardless of what the media says & thinks. But if they don't make the playoffs I think Emery will clean house & Lovie & company will given the boot.

Originally Posted by 4th and 26

I have noticed one thing lately and that is I keep LOSING bets to Packerfans. This crap really really sucks.

BETS and FACE. Really, it it that hard to win , say 33% of the time atleast? The last, say 22 years has been hard to be a bears fan betting with a Packer fan. Yea, at the end of farve we started to pay them back, but now AR is picking up where BF started. You play them twice a year, year in year out, you need to beat them to get the division title. OK, it's late, so kool aid too. But isn't it always SOMETHING, year in year out , thats the problem? GREAT D, very good ST year in year out ( this year is a ?) Now it all comes down to the OL not the Off's in total.Good lines make an AVERAGE team good. Good team teams with a bad LINE makes the TEAM below average.


GOOD READ, Jim Finks draft thoughts. http://www.footballnation.com/conten...builder/16492/