Thread: Four downs: Cutler fades again in spotlight

This is pretty simple. The offense got real puffed up over that win last week and came in prepared to do the same thing. Oops, different team with a bunch of blitz packages that must compete with Martz's offensive play book as far as variety. How many times do we have to play against them before somebody comes up with a way to block them and a game plan to counter them?

We can blame Cutler all we want and yeah he didn't have a very good game but like I said you don't hand a carpenter a wrench and then hand the plumber a hammer. Would it be a good idea for Cutler to stop pouting and get in Tice's face about changing the approach? Yeah, it would but once again the preparation for a team we've played how may times and who does exactly the same thing every time we play them fails again.

Webb can't handle good pass rushers one on one. That's a given so why put him in that position when you have a must situation. Besides that the kid is still an idiot who can't focus and that never changes either. Forte, your best blocking back, blows a blitz early and the whole field position complexion of the game changes with it. Luckily the defense was up to the task.

Right then and there Tice knew they were gonna throw the kitchen sink and Cutler yet he stays with his game plan, the offense stalls, and the only reason we weren't down by two TDs is that we finally got a great pass rush against Rodgers and took his game away from him. So what happens then? They catch us flat footed with a fake FG for a TD where if Conte hadn't been standing around with his mouth hanging open he might have read and at least shot past the blockers trying to make a tackle. They didn't even have to block him. They just pushed him out of they way. Out coached again Lovie.

This isn't magical. The Packers do what the Packers do. At least have a game plan that forces them to alter that approach. Find ways to sting them when they blitz. Find ways to block it even if it means two extra blockers. I saw Davis take off on a pass route without even bothering to chuck a blitzing LB who had a free shot at Cutler. Is that really his assignment? Just blow right past the guy without even a thought to hitting him and then releasing.

The list of last nights fuck ups is enormous and Cutler is just a small ingredient in that mix. They played a bad game offensively because once again we weren't prepared to defeat that defense. Look back over the points scored against the Packers over the past few years. Now tell me that we have yet to come up with any solution of how to counter the same thing they throw at us every game. That's coaching guys. That's lack of good preparation and game planning. We never get out in front and control these games and when we do get down no one seems to have a solution for how to come back and win. It's pathetic to watch it happen time after time.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

only thing I don't agree with is that Jay was a small ingredient. Again Rodgers OL did him no favors last night, and he didn't crack, Jay did. Jay shares equal blame tonight w/the coaches and the OL and the WR's.

I don't believe he cracked. He threw a TD pass to Davis didn't he? So he wasn't completely shut out. The game plan was atrocious and Tice did nothing to alter it. What you saw from Cutler was exactly the same look on his face he had with Martz last year when every time he came back on the field he was getting the same stuff and it wasn't working.

I'll blame him for not going to Tice and Bates and getting something different to work with but not for another shitty game plan and a line that still can't handle those blitzes after how many times now?????

I watched endzone camera shots where the entire middle of the filed was open for a good 10 yards or more behind the line of scrimmage because of the FS playing over the top of Marshall. Where were the quick slants? That's one of the things Hester could have made a big gain off of. Where were the quick hitches to a TE or maybe to Rodriguez coming out of the backfield?

We never challenged that part of the filed because like Martz before him Tice was focused 15-20 yards down field which is tendency to do but it won't work if you can't protect and we couldn't. Tice never adjusted out of those tendencies and the Packers had that part of the field blanketed all game long.

That left areas open but they were never exploited. We never forced them out of what they were doing so why should they change. Out coached and out schemed again.

Rodgers succeeded because he had a 10 point lead and used a power running game to sustain drives well enough to get him in FG range and that was enough. They had a short field most of the game because of our turnovers and miscues. You can't turn the ball over four times and win a game like that. Rodgers didn't pick anyone apart last night but he got enough protection often enough and a decent enough running game to get the job done.

We actually handed them 13 points early off that too many men penalty (a questionable call that should have been challenged), the fake FG, and Briggs dropping that pick. Conversely when we mount a decent drive Carimi gets a dumb penalty for retaliation and Webb does his usual whiff on the very next play and now were 3rd and a quarter mile to go.

Look at it from Cutler's point of view. It was hard enough to get some rhythm and a drive going and then two bonehead plays back to back take all of that momentum away. I'd be kind of frustrated too and I'd have probably done more than just bump Webb. I'd have torn off his helmet and beat that stupid shit eating grin off his face with it.

Here's the deal. Your OC tells you he's gonna get you what you need. He's got the blocking to protect you well enough to run this game plan where he opens up with some down field passing and on the very first series you get shelled on a blitz and end up on your ass on the five yard line. Yeah, great scheme coach. That should have signaled a change in strategy to Plan B immediately but it didn't so Cutler continues to get shelled and you're not sending receivers into the voids those blitzes are creating.

Frankly I don't see how Tice's approach was all that much different than Martz's as far as how we've played the Packers in the past. It all looked about the same to me and it probably looked like that to Cutler too. Where I fault Cutler is for not getting in someone's face and getting something done about it. He'll never be a great QB until he stops pouting about it and does.

Above all that when a guy gets 3 1/2 sacks against you and constant pressure then you better find a way before the game even starts to have a way to neutralize that and that oaf at LT is not the solution if he's left there by himself. Matthews ate him alive last night just like Jared Allen did in that second Viking game last year.

He says he's gotta go watch the tape. Fuck the tape J'Marcus. The only think you're gonna see is you getting your ass handed to you time and time again because you aren't smart enough to figure out how to counter it. Get you hands on the guy and shove him to the ground in you have to. Stop lunging and use your damn feet that Tice says are so great and hold your position between him and your QB. I'm not a LT and even I can see what you're doing wrong. You don't need to watch any tape. You need to learn how to fucking pass block.

I don't call it pouting . I call it getting angry because ur frustrated and because you care .

Hard to have a good game when ur OC has a backwards game plan - your starting RB gives a horse manure effort on the first play of the game - and ur field position is ruined for the whole first half .

Lotta different things that factored into how the game played out . Yet if a few things go differently they coulda bounced back.

They'll play better. There's a long way to go .

Originally Posted by soulman

I don't believe he cracked. He threw a TD pass to Davis didn't he? So he wasn't completely shut out. The game plan was atrocious and Tice did nothing to alter it. What you saw from Cutler was exactly the same look on his face he had with Martz last year when every time he came back on the field he was getting the same stuff and it wasn't working.

I'll blame him for not going to Tice and Bates and getting something different to work with but not for another shitty game plan and a line that still can't handle those blitzes after how many times now?????

I watched endzone camera shots where the entire middle of the filed was open for a good 10 yards or more behind the line of scrimmage because of the FS playing over the top of Marshall. Where were the quick slants? That's one of the things Hester could have made a big gain off of. Where were the quick hitches to a TE or maybe to Rodriguez coming out of the backfield?

We never challenged that part of the filed because like Martz before him Tice was focused 15-20 yards down field which is tendency to do but it won't work if you can't protect and we couldn't. Tice never adjusted out of those tendencies and the Packers had that part of the field blanketed all game long.

That left areas open but they were never exploited. We never forced them out of what they were doing so why should they change. Out coached and out schemed again.

Rodgers succeeded because he had a 10 point lead and used a power running game to sustain drives well enough to get him in FG range and that was enough. They had a short field most of the game because of our turnovers and miscues. You can't turn the ball over four times and win a game like that. Rodgers didn't pick anyone apart last night but he got enough protection often enough and a decent enough running game to get the job done.

We actually handed them 13 points early off that too many men penalty (a questionable call that should have been challenged), the fake FG, and Briggs dropping that pick. Conversely when we mount a decent drive Carimi gets a dumb penalty for retaliation and Webb does his usual whiff on the very next play and now were 3rd and a quarter mile to go.

Look at it from Cutler's point of view. It was hard enough to get some rhythm and a drive going and then two bonehead plays back to back take all of that momentum away. I'd be kind of frustrated too and I'd have probably done more than just bump Webb. I'd have torn off his helmet and beat that stupid shit eating grin off his face with it.

Here's the deal. Your OC tells you he's gonna get you what you need. He's got the blocking to protect you well enough to run this game plan where he opens up with some down field passing and on the very first series you get shelled on a blitz and end up on your ass on the five yard line. Yeah, great scheme coach. That should have signaled a change in strategy to Plan B immediately but it didn't so Cutler continues to get shelled and you're not sending receivers into the voids those blitzes are creating.

Frankly I don't see how Tice's approach was all that much different than Martz's as far as how we've played the Packers in the past. It all looked about the same to me and it probably looked like that to Cutler too. Where I fault Cutler is for not getting in someone's face and getting something done about it. He'll never be a great QB until he stops pouting about it and does.

Above all that when a guy gets 3 1/2 sacks against you and constant pressure then you better find a way before the game even starts to have a way to neutralize that and that oaf at LT is not the solution if he's left there by himself. Matthews ate him alive last night just like Jared Allen did in that second Viking game last year.

He says he's gotta go watch the tape. Fuck the tape J'Marcus. The only think you're gonna see is you getting your ass handed to you time and time again because you aren't smart enough to figure out how to counter it. Get you hands on the guy and shove him to the ground in you have to. Stop lunging and use your damn feet that Tice says are so great and hold your position between him and your QB. I'm not a LT and even I can see what you're doing wrong. You don't need to watch any tape. You need to learn how to fucking pass block.

I agree 100%. Tice helped reel in Martz. Who will reel in Tice? Lovie can't reel in a blue gill.