Thread: It's bad coaching as much as anything else

Originally Posted by Grizzblue

Coaching was bad but a lot goes on cutler, green bays LT newberry had just as many problems as Webb but they made adjustments and minimized the damage

To me, that's exactly why it does come down to coaching. Rodgers would have had a terrible game if they hadn't adjusted. Cutler doesn't benefit from that and therefore continues to struggle.

This is the one issue chicago has, we take out of natural poisitons and try converting them for the better only for it to blow up in our faces. For instance people can say what they want but Carimi is a LT and needs to be there, stick Williams back at LG seeing how well he did. the rest can be shifted as well, im still confused why Garza was moved to C when he was a great RG.

I don't know if it is what is going on here, but I see it in business all the time. A new manager comes in and makes changes just to show his management that he is a mover and a shaker - not happy with status quo and so are going to make things better. However, the best managers come in and look to see what is broken and only address those issues.

I think that Tice thinks he can coach up any offensive lineman to be good. I also think they he has his vision of how a prototypical lineman must look for each position and puts those guys into those positions. Once you have the right skill set in the position then in his mind the right coaching (himself) will make the position better because now you have the better physical fit in the position and the coaching to take advantage of it.

However, that is book theory in the mind of Mike Tice. It's not working out like that.

I do think that we don't have the very best crop of linemen, but after seeing OMG doing well elsewhere and the moving that Tice does (never moves them back after he has decided who the right person is regardless of performance) that coaching is even more to blame than talent. Although I think we have a talent issue also.

That is a new perspective for me. I really thought it was 80-90 percent talent. Now it may be 70 percent coaching in my mind. Am I the only one?

Originally Posted by VJ18

This is the one issue chicago has, we take out of natural poisitons and try converting them for the better only for it to blow up in our faces. For instance people can say what they want but Carimi is a LT and needs to be there, stick Williams back at LG seeing how well he did. the rest can be shifted as well, im still confused why Garza was moved to C when he was a great RG.

Originally Posted by motownbear

But the trick is isolating the problem. Is it lovie who says stick to the script at all cost or is it tice being a rook coach or even a dumb ass coach which is also a possibility

We showed last season with garbage wr and bad oline we could still over come that with a different game plan so to me it is tice

Lets still factor in the garbage we have protecting the franchise qb. Over the last couple of years we always see to stick to the same game plan and make very few adjustments. Clay was unblockable yet the ability to see that webb needs help is typical bears OC, HC inablility to see it is sad.

Originally Posted by Grizzblue

Coaching was bad but a lot goes on cutler, green bays LT newberry had just as many problems as Webb but they made adjustments and minimized the damage

But cutler has to look past Marshall when he's not open we have other guys who can make things happen (Jeffery was standing alone 15 yards downfield on the first pick)

Jay has to let the sacks and picks go not dwell on them and compound mistakes

The key word is that the packers made adjustments where the bears seem to stick with the same game plan

Originally Posted by 4th and 26

The key word is that the packers made adjustments where the bears seem to stick with the same game plan

The key word is that the packers (scratch "packers" and replace it with "virtually every other NFL team") made adjustments where the bears seem to stick with the same game plan.

How ironic that is was actually 4th & 26 for them on the fake FG play.

Originally Posted by MPBears68

The key word is that the packers (scratch "packers" and replace it with "virtually every other NFL team") made adjustments where the bears seem to stick with the same game plan.

How ironic that is was actually 4th & 26 for them on the fake FG play.

There is plenty of blame to go around.

OL was bad

WRs dropped passes

Cutler had a leadership meltdown

Cutler focused on one WR too much - even good rooks don't do that

The coaching was horrible

The adjustments were non-existant

I think that we were never really out of the game until Cutler had the meltdown and it affected the whole team play. Would they have been able to pull out of it? With the OL play, probably not, but maybe. Between the OL play and the meltdown, well it was bad. I don't even think the coaching was NFL worthy. Hopefully everyone learned and this week is better. The competition is at a lower level than GB. We really should win this game.