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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 
I don't see anyone on this coaching staff staying except for Toub/Bates, if changes are made.
JABF, this might have been the subtle sabatoge that Emery wanted to be able to bring in his own guy(if you are a consiparacy theorist).
But most HC's are going to want to bring in their own guys also, so it's going to be interesting to see who wants to come in and work w/Bates
That could be too. Maybe giving Lovie just enough rope to hang himself. How anyone could NOT see this oline needed better players.....well.....it's almost criminal negligence 
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Tice can't lose. If the line succeeds, he will look like a guru if not he wasn't given the tools to succeed. I think he will be out of here after this season.
Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics, even if you win your still messed up.
Restore the roar!
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After this season..
Bears will play in the post season.
Lovie and crew stays in place and Emery concentrates his efforts on upgrading the oline and a MLB understudy.
OR
Bears fail to make the playoffs and a new Head coach is hired. That HC will bring in his guys for every coaching position. No one survives the cut. I dont think that Emery will handcuff a new HC by telling him that he must keep anyone.... like what was done to him. If there is one exception it may be Toub and that would only be because most HC would love to have him on their staff.
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Originally Posted by
SERE Bear After this season..
Bears will play in the post season.
Lovie and crew stays in place and Emery concentrates his efforts on upgrading the oline and a MLB understudy.
OR
Bears fail to make the playoffs and a new Head coach is hired. That HC will bring in his guys for every coaching position. No one survives the cut. I dont think that Emery will handcuff a new HC by telling him that he must keep anyone.... like what was done to him. If there is one exception it may be Toub and that would only be because most HC would love to have him on their staff.
I agree. As absurd as it is to start crying the sky is falling after one bad game, it's even sillier to think that Emery is going to search for a head coach by telling candidates "this is your DC". That's how we ended up with Martz and then Tice, having to fit them in to Lovie's crew. Lovie has always been at least competent with the defense, but his butt has been on the line a few times due to the offense's performance. Nobody wanted to be the OC or quarterback coach because A) they didn't have ties to Lovie, and B) they didn't want to come in for one year and then be fired with the rest of the crew. The next Bears' head coach will get to choose all of his coaches. I think Toub would stay, but only because the HC interviewed him and decided he was the best candidate.
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Originally Posted by
Rogelio I agree. As absurd as it is to start crying the sky is falling after one bad game, it's even sillier to think that Emery is going to search for a head coach by telling candidates "this is your DC". That's how we ended up with Martz and then Tice, having to fit them in to Lovie's crew. Lovie has always been at least competent with the defense, but his butt has been on the line a few times due to the offense's performance. Nobody wanted to be the OC or quarterback coach because A) they didn't have ties to Lovie, and B) they didn't want to come in for one year and then be fired with the rest of the crew. The next Bears' head coach will get to choose all of his coaches. I think Toub would stay, but only because the HC interviewed him and decided he was the best candidate.
i think toub would get a look as head coach if the bears fired lovie, but in response to the original post...if lovie goes, his staff goes too...i don't see any scenario that leads to the bears keeping anyone on this staff if the bears don't make the play-offs...
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If they can make "this way of thinking" work, keep 'em all. If not, fire 'em all. Lovie's had long enough as a HC to figure this stuff out. With that said, he will be our HC next year.
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Originally Posted by
GermansbombedPH Smith - gone
Tice - gone
Marinelli - stays as DefCo
Bates - gets promoted as OffCo
Toub - stays
Emery will bring in his guy as HC and we may see a new D philosophy, but still a 4-3
If Lovie does not make the playoffs, I think Marinelli is gone too. Only one I'd keep is Toub. Maybe Bates. Maybe. Depends on how Cutler looks this year fundamentally.
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Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99 The ironic thing is that the catalyst for all of this would be the oline failure. Something Emery knew about going into this season, but failed to fix.
Emery has to share SOME blame here. Not all. But he is the captain of this ship. He should have seen this iceberg coming. Fix the oline.
Omg, your passion is compelling but reality and the facts are not are your side here, buddy. Ranting about this (admittedly crappy) OL situation is just fine. We all love to vent here, me included. But making silly statements like "Emery deserves some blame just because..." and providing no details as to why/how is where you lose me. I dropped this topic in the other thread since you never answered it despite multiple requests, but I'll ask my question yet again:
Describe the SPECIFIC move(s) that you feel Emery COULD HAVE & SHOULD HAVE made last offseason to "fix the OL" complete with the necessary trade-offs involved...what are they??? Give me specific names and specific moves.
Besides vague notions of "I'd have signed a FA and drafted another guy in the first 4 rounds", I've heard nothing but crickets chirping.
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Originally Posted by
MPBears68 Omg, your passion is compelling but reality and the facts are not are your side here, buddy. Ranting about this (admittedly crappy) OL situation is just fine. We all love to vent here, me included. But making silly statements like "Emery deserves some blame just because..." and providing no details as to why/how is where you lose me. I dropped this topic in the other thread since you never answered it despite multiple requests, but I'll ask my question yet again:
Describe the SPECIFIC move(s) that you feel Emery COULD HAVE & SHOULD HAVE made last offseason to "fix the OL" complete with the necessary trade-offs involved...what are they??? Give me specific names and specific moves.
Besides vague notions of "I'd have signed a FA and drafted another guy in the first 4 rounds", I've heard nothing but crickets chirping.
A) Emery inherited a team that requires more than one off-season to fix.
B) The oline was 32nd in the NFL.
C) We didn't draft any olinemen. Didn't bring in a single quality FA olineman.
I'm just stating facts. Did I get any of those wrong MP?
Last edited by JustAnotherBearsFan99; 09-18-2012 at 08:59 PM.
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Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99 A)
Emery inherited a team that requires more than one off-season to fix.
B) The oline was 32nd in the NFL.
C)
We didn't draft any olinemen. Didn't bring in a single quality FA olineman.
I'm just stating facts. Did I get any of those wrong MP?
No, you didn't but you still didn't answer the question!
I guess it comes to whether Emery's mission last year was a "long term, ground-up rebuild" or to cobble together extra pieces that could win NOW with an aging defense whose window is closing. I think we would all agree that it was the latter. Otherwise we shouldn't have bothered with acquiring Marshall, Bush, and Campbell and should have traded Hester and Forte for picks.
We all know/knew the OL was a weakness last year and it was racked by injuries and shuffling. We had a 1st round draft pick (Carimi) and a decent-to-solid vet LG (Williams) both coming back from injury. Garza at C was a pro bowl alternate and Louis was being moved back to his natural and better position at RG. The only major question mark was Webb at LT, a position where I REPEAT FOR THE 286th TIME there was no immediate help to be found either in the draft or in FA. That point remains unchallenged and unimpeachable.
Emery fixed what he could fix. Based on what was available and the resources at his disposal. Ric's idea from another thread that the OL was 32nd best (actually that was our LT) and the WR corps was not (is that even ranked?), so that should have set the priority ignores what was AVAILABLE AND FEASIBLE. It also ignores that fact that our WR CORPS SUCKED ASS and was among the league's worst, all the more so when Knox was greviously injured and not to return. Remember that Forte alone accounted for 45% of the total offense before he himself was hurt too. And he desperately needed a complimentary RB for short yardage help after the failures that were Chester Taylor and Marion Barber. Remember also that it was TICE who expressed coinfidence that another year of experience + scheme changes would elevate Webb from weak-link to adequate. It was also TICE that totally jacked up the LG situation this preseason by benching a known quantity there in favor of two failed castoffs from other teams. Once again it was TICE whose gameplanning and playcalling last week were "Martz-lite" and produced similar results to week 2 last year.
I still haven't heard a specific answer (names, moves, trade-offs) regarding your "C" which pretty much confirms that there wasn't one...not a plausible or worthwhile one anyway.
We could have passed on SheaMc and drafted DeCastro to play LG if anyone had known how badly Tice was gonna screw up CWilliams this preseason. That would have been a reasonable trade-off if we were planning on squandering CW on the bench this year (wtf?). How anyone could have foreseen that I have no idea, since pretty much everyone here agreed last year that he was our ablest lineman during that 5 game win streak. Beyond that utterly unknowable theoretical, I still have no idea of what you expected Emery to SPECIFICALLY do last offseason.
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