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    Quote Originally Posted by GermansbombedPH View Post
    Cutler had a bad day, but you have seen that nobody was open and he never had time to do anything. Cutler has to get some blame too, but it's Webb, Spencer and coaching that was the mess
    Sure most agree ( except Riczaj01), He'll say JC was a mess,( it JCfault the Bears loss, no one elses. blame is layed by him to others but JC is suppose to over come all others faults) People were open but one was running for his life ( see how a vage comment can be turn around) How about just stating a play in the game and time where JC was so bad, with so much time and a receiver open, that he just didn't make ( YES JC had a few bad passes, but still, he wasn't the reason the Bears lose.) As you (Riz) state he was rattled, HMMMMM, why was he in that state of mind? Yes he has to be smater with the ball, but the OL and gameplan has to be WAY THE F SMARTER / BETTER / and OL PERFORM BETTER.

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    Let's get back on topic, okay?

    Robbie's good as Gould, and a great teammate. He says the "incident" will unify and define the team. It's been a week, have we seen any unification? I think we have. DJ Moore misspoke to a reporter who blew that up, but it appears the team has moved on. Brandon Marshal was very vocal in his support of JC. Will it "define" the team? That remains to be seen, but Sunday will give us an indication. They will have had 10 days to prep, if they don't get it right this week, the team will be defined. And it wouldn't be a good definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yttocs View Post
    Sure most agree ( except Riczaj01), He'll say JC was a mess,( it JCfault the Bears loss, no one elses. blame is layed by him to others but JC is suppose to over come all others faults) People were open but one was running for his life ( see how a vage comment can be turn around) How about just stating a play in the game and time where JC was so bad, with so much time and a receiver open, that he just didn't make ( YES JC had a few bad passes, but still, he wasn't the reason the Bears lose.) As you (Riz) state he was rattled, HMMMMM, why was he in that state of mind? Yes he has to be smater with the ball, but the OL and gameplan has to be WAY THE F SMARTER / BETTER / and OL PERFORM BETTER.

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    That's just asinine...nobody, including Ric, is saying JC is the only one to blame, the only reason we lost...

    You say JC has to be "smarter with the ball"...well, I hate to shatter this whole you vs. Ric thing you got going, but that's pretty much his exact argument/analysis/criticism in four words...one that I and many others agree with...including apparently even YOU!


    Reductio ad absurdum...it's how we roll...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark86x View Post
    Let's get back on topic, okay?

    Robbie's good as Gould, and a great teammate. He says the "incident" will unify and define the team. It's been a week, have we seen any unification? I think we have. DJ Moore misspoke to a reporter who blew that up, but it appears the team has moved on. Brandon Marshal was very vocal in his support of JC. Will it "define" the team? That remains to be seen, but Sunday will give us an indication. They will have had 10 days to prep, if they don't get it right this week, the team will be defined. And it wouldn't be a good definition.

    Shark, no doubt. Gould is as solid a performer as there is on this team and if he thinks it can unify, I won't disagree until proven otherwise. DJ, now that we know Lovie told them to keep it in house, definately misspoke and deserved to be railed by Lovie for disobeying him. Lovie is a lot of things, but he won't tolerate his players going against his will.

    On a side, I'll say I was happily wrong about Marshal, so far. He's not only been a great asset(that I knew) but he's been a great teammate and leader as well(that I was worried about). Hope he keeps this up.

    Sunday is going to be a great game. And there is really no reason this team, w/the right gameplan in place shouldn't win it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfman View Post
    That's just asinine...nobody, including Ric, is saying JC is the only one to blame, the only reason we lost...

    You say JC has to be "smarter with the ball"...well, I hate to shatter this whole you vs. Ric thing you got going, but that's pretty much his exact argument/analysis/criticism in four words...one that I and many others agree with...including apparently even YOU!
    Think you just might NEED to go reread some of his posts. Before you bear DOWN on him.
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    Y Think you MIGHT need to go reread my posts before you decide what I'm saying.

    You'll not find one post where I even infurred that JC was the entire problem. And there are plenty more posts where I have said the OL and WR's and the OC also were part of the problem.

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    Two games in. There are or will be plenty of moments that could or could not unify or not unify this team. Some of those moments could be in practice, or in a meeting, or a myriad of other things. To me this is what the media wants to see as a defining moment good or bad they don't care just viewers/readers. Gould is just doing damage control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    Y Think you MIGHT need to go reread my posts before you decide what I'm saying.

    You'll not find one post where I even infurred that JC was the entire problem. And there are plenty more posts where I have said the OL and WR's and the OC also were part of the problem.
    Great qb's make his team better, not vice versa. If we needed a qb that needed a better team around him to succeed we could have kept Orton and our picks and drafted a qb along w/players to surround that qb and had a all around better team.

    Again stat's don't change and if he was such a WINNER in Denver, why was his 2nd and 3rd year there 7-9 and 8-8? Again making excuses for his poor play, in Denver it was his Def causing him to turn the ball over b/c he was always behind. Here it's the O's fault....there is one common theme, Culter.

    So EVERY other elite QB is a nascar....then maybe the problem is we brought the wrong car to the race(your analogy not mine).


    THat was easy, SORRY, but hey think before you speak oh I'm sorry, TYPE. Look JC isnt the problem, the Bears traded for a QB then want to change WHO HE IS. Thats not on JC thats a BEARS problem ( staff ). You think JC is so much as fault, and think he shouldn,t be theBears QB, WHO? WHO is it you want that will change the team so , so , much? Just name one person. This is getting old, A.D.D. . I'm sure you have been told this before. Look , nothing personal. I left open a out, you chose not to take it.,, BIAS I have PROVEN your FACTS wrong. Your opinion is yours, but isn't fact or true. You are a hater of JC, sure you MAY say SOME of the blame is others, just not in the same thread, but JC MUST make -up for others to be ELITE. Hey, I can tread water with 50 LBS of weight tied to me, but when yo add 500 LBS I'm not going to make it very long. I CAN find older post where you BLAME JC, yet you don't say in those post it wasn't all his fault. WOLFMAN I exspect a dislike from you too. This is gettting old and a waste. IF you have a valid question or point I will reply, other wise DONE. AGAIN nothing personal, just I find you a hater of JC and I'm not. Just different OPINIONS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yttocs View Post
    Great qb's make his team better, not vice versa. If we needed a qb that needed a better team around him to succeed we could have kept Orton and our picks and drafted a qb along w/players to surround that qb and had a all around better team.

    Again stat's don't change and if he was such a WINNER in Denver, why was his 2nd and 3rd year there 7-9 and 8-8? Again making excuses for his poor play, in Denver it was his Def causing him to turn the ball over b/c he was always behind. Here it's the O's fault....there is one common theme, Culter.

    So EVERY other elite QB is a nascar....then maybe the problem is we brought the wrong car to the race(your analogy not mine).


    THat was easy, SORRY, but hey think before you speak oh I'm sorry, TYPE. Look JC isnt the problem, the Bears traded for a QB then want to change WHO HE IS. Thats not on JC thats a BEARS problem ( staff ). You think JC is so much as fault, and think he shouldn,t be theBears QB, WHO? WHO is it you want that will change the team so , so , much? Just name one person. This is getting old, A.D.D. . I'm sure you have been told this before. Look , nothing personal. I left open a out, you chose not to take it.,, BIAS I have PROVEN your FACTS wrong. Your opinion is yours, but isn't fact or true. You are a hater of JC, sure you MAY say SOME of the blame is others, just not in the same thread, but JC MUST make -up for others to be ELITE. Hey, I can tread water with 50 LBS of weight tied to me, but when yo add 500 LBS I'm not going to make it very long. I CAN find older post where you BLAME JC, yet you don't say in those post it wasn't all his fault. WOLFMAN I exspect a dislike from you too. This is gettting old and a waste. IF you have a valid question or point I will reply, other wise DONE. AGAIN nothing personal, just I find you a hater of JC and I'm not. Just different OPINIONS.

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    Not one of those posts say the OL or WR or OC were not at fault....all of those were in responce to people saying that JC has NO blame in the debacle of GB.

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