Jeff Fisher: Get off Jay Cutler's back and let him play

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

There is a difference between someone that CANNOT do what he is asked, and someone that can and does it poorly. Webb was never capable of playing LT, and the team put him in a no win situation. Cutler CAN be a great qb and plays way below his level far to often. And that is not just b/c of the team around him or his coaches or the line. HE makes bad decisions and HE locks into 1 target far to often, and HE puts to much faith in that arm of his far to often and it can result in a game like that.

Woodson said it himself, they don't worry about his weapons they know Jay will throw the ball to their D.

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Not all the TEAM, the Coaches, the OL, or the Gameplan. OK he's 20% of the problem. Add in the staff is putting him in an odd/ bad /nonfavorable situation and then it's 15% add in he locks on to ONE receiver ( cause god know he doesn't really have time to check down) JC is back to 20% of the problem. As a whole to what I just put up, the STAFF IS THE REAL PROBLEM, isn't it? Why does Woodson know JC will force the ball and throw it to them? Is it cause he know GB will take the lead with the bad gameplan the staff for the Bears bring and know no adjustment either, then JC is force to TRY to make something outta nothing when behind? Kinda like all the Tice chickhen salad lovers made of Chickhen shit, and as of now it taste that way ( shit ) too.

I'm hardly going to defend this coaching staff, but to be fair, show me the huge drop off in his stats from his time in Denver, not counting his rookie year and when talking about turn overs I mean int's, fumbles and rushing fumbles:
he had 1 4k year in denver, the rest of the time mid 3k.
His 2nd year 21 td's 20 TO's, 3rd year 27 td's, 21 turn overs, 1st year here 28 td's, 30 to's, 2nd year 24 td's, 26 to's.
His td's and int's have largely remained the same. both are in the low to mid 20's. He has largely been a guy that is as likely to turn the ball over as get you a TD, and that hasn't changed since his days in Den. So no it's not mostly on the play callling or the talent or the line; but it has contributed to a small degrading of his td to to ratio.
his completions % has remained right around or just below 60%
his ypc only dipped to under 7.3 his 1st year in chicago,

THAT IS JC's MO. He WILL turn the ball over eventually, He WILL have games where he will implode if you give him the oppertunity just like he will give you games where he will take over and destroy you if you let him. He's a huge talent, by far the best qb we've had since I've been alive, but he is also a largely flawed talent that has penchant for blowing games, and that started before he got to Chicago. And GB has a blueprint for how to beat him; so he AND the staff better figure out how to fix that.

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

I'm hardly going to defend this coaching staff, but to be fair, show me the huge drop off in his stats from his time in Denver, not counting his rookie year and when talking about turn overs I mean int's, fumbles and rushing fumbles:
he had 1 4k year in denver, the rest of the time mid 3k.
His 2nd year 21 td's 20 TO's, 3rd year 27 td's, 21 turn overs, 1st year here 28 td's, 30 to's, 2nd year 24 td's, 26 to's.
His td's and int's have largely remained the same. both are in the low to mid 20's. He has largely been a guy that is as likely to turn the ball over as get you a TD, and that hasn't changed since his days in Den. So no it's not mostly on the play callling or the talent or the line; but it has contributed to a small degrading of his td to to ratio.
his completions % has remained right around or just below 60%
his ypc only dipped to under 7.3 his 1st year in chicago,

THAT IS JC's MO. He WILL turn the ball over eventually, He WILL have games where he will implode if you give him the oppertunity just like he will give you games where he will take over and destroy you if you let him. He's a huge talent, by far the best qb we've had since I've been alive, but he is also a largely flawed talent that has penchant for blowing games, and that started before he got to Chicago. And GB has a blueprint for how to beat him; so he AND the staff better figure out how to fix that.

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In Denver he had an OL that COULD BLOCK, but his D was porous, and was ALWAYS behind so he did, what a WINNER does,and took chances to try to win. Even when he got the lead, the D would lose it. In Chicago, its just the opposite. He isn't what he can be( the Bears haven't allowed that) the D is better, but everything on the O was way worse( till this year? wait and see if the O works out ) It's like take a CAR that can run good times in a straight quarter mile and asking it to run on the NASSCAR/INDY race. You'r not going to get the same results, even if the car is fast at one.


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WOW, just thought of a good way of putting it!

JC is a formula 1 racer, not NASCAR. He has open wheelwells, IF you hit him , most likely he will crash, as to NASCAR, which is setup to take a bunping/beating. GB was Bristol for the Bears with formula ! cars , as to GB having Nascar, ready for the BUMPS. Side note Webb is formula 1 LT.

Great qb's make his team better, not vice versa. If we needed a qb that needed a better team around him to succeed we could have kept Orton and our picks and drafted a qb along w/players to surround that qb and had a all around better team.

Again stat's don't change and if he was such a WINNER in Denver, why was his 2nd and 3rd year there 7-9 and 8-8? Again making excuses for his poor play, in Denver it was his Def causing him to turn the ball over b/c he was always behind. Here it's the O's fault....there is one common theme, Culter.

So EVERY other elite QB is a nascar....then maybe the problem is we brought the wrong car to the race(your analogy not mine).

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Great qb's make his team better, not vice versa. If we needed a qb that needed a better team around him to succeed we could have kept Orton and our picks and drafted a qb along w/players to surround that qb and had a all around better team.

Again stat's don't change and if he was such a WINNER in Denver, why was his 2nd and 3rd year there 7-9 and 8-8? Again making excuses for his poor play, in Denver it was his Def causing him to turn the ball over b/c he was always behind. Here it's the O's fault....there is one common theme, Culter.

So EVERY other elite QB is a nascar....then maybe the problem is we brought the wrong car to the race(your analogy not mine).

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Post the D in Denver, give stats of Denver being behind, JC putting a team in front, only for the D to let the other team score. Come on you want fair, be FAIR. Denvers D was a good as the Bears is what you saying in his years there? The Bears OL is as good as Denver with his time here? JC's receiving core was EQUAL? The gameplan was the same? COME ON!
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Let me guess you think the SACKS ARE THE SAME , RIGHT? LOL

Actually just the opposite, I know he wasn't sacked as much, but he still had a near .500 td to turn over ratio. why was that? Oh right b/c the shitty denver d made him have to throw picks and fumble.

Y, there you go again, deflecting. It's never Jay's fault, not in Denver and not here....stupid and sophmoric thought process. When you can admit he's part of the problem(not all not the majority, as i've never said that) get back to me.

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Actually just the opposite, I know he wasn't sacked as much, but he still had a near .500 td to turn over ratio. why was that? Oh right b/c the shitty denver d made him have to throw picks and fumble.

Y, there you go again, deflecting. It's never Jay's fault, not in Denver and not here....stupid and sophmoric thought process. When you can admit he's part of the problem(not all not the majority, as i've never said that) get back to me.

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It's not deflecting LMFAO at you, It's stats/ facts. Was he mostly behind? You take chances to win. Isn't thatwhyt teams like to be ahead so to pin their EARS back and rush the PASSER?

When you can admit he's part of the problem(not all not the majority, as i've never said that) get back to me.

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

When you can admit he's part of the problem(not all not the majority, as i've never said that) get back to me.

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LOL Ihave, but your a HATER, come on , it's ok to be wrong, just say it. But hey , you NEVER answer something / anything, you just ask a question tilted to your hate. Answer , then ask. It's ok, i have meet MANY like you, I understand.
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spelling. And your JUST like Webb, not my fault. Its always someone else, just ask Tice.

Doesn't matter what happens . Good line bad line . Good D bad D . Playing with a lead playing from behind . Bad field position good field position . Good game plan bad game plan - 7 sacks 4ints - 3td passes 1int - this player is injured, that player is injured - good refs bad refs - hurried not hurried - fumbles no fumbles - tipped passes - WR's who don't come back for the ball - wr's who run wrong routes - audibles no audibles - rain no rain snow no snow - it's a thursday nite game it's a sunday 3pm game - the center snaps arent good - a lineman steps on his tows - he tries to run but slips - his knee is broken he can't go back into the game - he's been concussed - he's been sack over 100 times - he has no time to even look downfield
......blah balah ........ IT DOESNT MATTER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

JC MUST OVERCOME ALL - OR ALL BLAME FINDS ITS WAY BACK TO HIM AND ONLY HIM - FAIRLY UNFAIRLY _ RIGHTLY WRONGLY- DEFLECTION NO DEFLECTION' blah blah bla . It all rightly = Jay Cutler SUX !!!!!!! All FACTORS in some way BOIL DOWN TO _ JC DIDN"T PLAY WELL ENOUGH ( and he's a meany )