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    That's the same line I'd like to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by VJ18 View Post
    id love to see this as a line up just for a few snaps

    Carimi / CWills / E. Williams / Louis / Scott

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    To be fair to Reiff he's not starting b/c they brought back their LT who is a legit starter in the league. That is no proof that he couldn't have beaten out Webb or Williams. Also no way of knowing if Decastro would have gotten hurt if we drafted him.
    I'll keep saying this until it finally hits home as it relates to Reiff.

    You would have exactly the same problem that we already have with CWill if you try to play him at LT. Reiff doesn't have the body of a LT and the main reason he fell as far as he did was because he was scouted/rated as a RT only prospect. No legit first day starter at LT would ever have fallen that far in this draft. You saw where Kalil went right? Well at one time Reiff was rated right behind him until they got his measurables at the combine and pro days. After that he began to drop down teams boards.

    So Even if Backus hadn't continued to play Reiff would be struggling to play LT in Detroit and he would have struggled just the same here. It's the exact same reason why the Bears have refused to stay with CWill as a LT during his career. He may have the head for it but he lacks the ideal body. Conversely Webb has the perfect body type but some sort of a void between his ears that must be filled with visions of tacos, cheeseburgers and pussy because it's not filled with visions of him keeping his QB clean.

    I thought we already put the draft aside for this year. Much like CWill, and despite identical size, Reiff also has very short arms which make it difficult for him to control a good pass rusher. He will struggle as a LT just as CWill does so to say that he would have been a better prospect is incorrect. Why spend a first round pick on another OT just like one we already have who can't play that spot well enough to even beat out Webb?

    Matt Kalil was the ONLY true starting LT in this draft. End of story.
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    he's still a better option then Webb, and Carimi is also. you're OL was still a bigger issue then your DL was. Webb ranking dead last for 2 years as a LT means that you cannot do worse then him w/a replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VJ18 View Post
    id love to see this as a line up just for a few snaps

    Carimi / CWills / E. Williams / Louis / Scott
    I'd bet my left nut you'll never see it this year VJ and probably not ever. If they do move Carimi it won't be until they have a full offseason to try the switch. They'll want him to play at least one full season at RT just like Webb did before they'd even consider it.

    In one regard is Tice is right. Carimi is about as perfect a RT prospect as you could find. He played LT in college but he also played in a pretty run heavy offense and it was more as a run blocker that he made his rep than as a pass blocker.

    I'm not saying he couldn't play LT but I don't think he quite ready for that at this level yet. I like the idea of leaving him where he is but I really do think they need CWill at LG. Garza played well enough last year to have been a pro bowl alternate in his first year as an OC. I won't criticize his play so far this year until they fix that cluster fuck they have going on at LT and LG.

    40% of that line isn't doing their job well enough to hold their starting spots. Spencer is already being benched after two games and based on the way he played in preseason I saw that as a foregone conclusion. If he plays OG then he's a RG, not a LG. And now they're putting another guy at LG (Rachal) whose spent his entire pro career as a RG too instead of just putting the guy who has spent that last two years playing LG back there again.

    If there was an utter stupidity to this whole summer and the season so far it's been this useless attempt to keep CWill as an OT. Before we signed Scott we had no choice but now we do. If Scott isn't good enough to play swing OT then we shouldn't have brought him in but if he is then use him that way and put the one guy with playing experience at LG back at LG.

    I swear this team shoots itself in the foot offensively so often that it's actually disturbing to watch. Each time they go off on one of these tangents and try to convince us they know what they're doing within a matter of weeks they're proven wrong. No wonder fans don't have any faith that Lovie and Tice know what they hell they're doing with that line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    If there was an utter stupidity to this whole summer and the season so far it's been this useless attempt to keep CWill as an OT. Before we signed Scott we had no choice but now we do. If Scott isn't good enough to play swing OT then we shouldn't have brought him in but if he is then use him that way and put the one guy with playing experience at LG back at LG.

    I swear this team shoots itself in the foot offensively so often that it's actually disturbing to watch. Each time they go off on one of these tangents and try to convince us they know what they're doing within a matter of weeks they're proven wrong. No wonder fans don't have any faith that Lovie and Tice know what they hell they're doing with that line.
    Virtually all of the meathead moves have been on the OL. I haven't seen anywhere near as monumental stupidity anywhere else. But that's also because he decided that his guys are ok. You make your bed and then you have to sleep in it. Even when it turns out to be a bed of nails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearsinhouston View Post
    Virtually all of the meathead moves have been on the OL. I haven't seen anywhere near as monumental stupidity anywhere else. But that's also because he decided that his guys are ok. You make your bed and then you have to sleep in it. Even when it turns out to be a bed of nails.
    Worst case, why didn't Tice just let people stay at their positions another year and let them improve their game?

    He could have just let Lance Louis be back to his RG position & with a healthy Carimi back at RT, and C.Will at the LG where he was very solid? Then if he's enamored with Webb at LT, then camp out a TE as a Webb-helper all season long.

    Even THAT would have been better than what we have. Just let guys improve at their original positions. Instead Tice scrambled the guys up and it shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99 View Post
    Worst case, why didn't Tice just let people stay at their positions another year and let them improve their game?

    He could have just let Lance Louis be back to his RG position & with a healthy Carimi back at RT, and C.Will at the LG where he was very solid? Then if he's enamored with Webb at LT, then camp out a TE as a Webb-helper all season long.

    Even THAT would have been better than what we have. Just let guys improve at their original positions. Instead Tice scrambled the guys up and it shows.
    My honest (and sad) opinion is that you can't prove you are a guru if you leave things the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    I'll keep saying this until it finally hits home as it relates to Reiff.

    You would have exactly the same problem that we already have with CWill if you try to play him at LT. Reiff doesn't have the body of a LT and the main reason he fell as far as he did was because he was scouted/rated as a RT only prospect. No legit first day starter at LT would ever have fallen that far in this draft. You saw where Kalil went right? Well at one time Reiff was rated right behind him until they got his measurables at the combine and pro days. After that he began to drop down teams boards.

    So Even if Backus hadn't continued to play Reiff would be struggling to play LT in Detroit and he would have struggled just the same here. It's the exact same reason why the Bears have refused to stay with CWill as a LT during his career. He may have the head for it but he lacks the ideal body. Conversely Webb has the perfect body type but some sort of a void between his ears that must be filled with visions of tacos, cheeseburgers and pussy because it's not filled with visions of him keeping his QB clean.

    I thought we already put the draft aside for this year. Much like CWill, and despite identical size, Reiff also has very short arms which make it difficult for him to control a good pass rusher. He will struggle as a LT just as CWill does so to say that he would have been a better prospect is incorrect. Why spend a first round pick on another OT just like one we already have who can't play that spot well enough to even beat out Webb?

    Matt Kalil was the ONLY true starting LT in this draft. End of story.
    I've been fighting this "Emery should have done..." battle for days now now with JABF & Ric. I understand the frustration over Webb and how long this has gone on. I share it. But there was NO HELP to be found at LT this year either in FA or the draft. Please, guys, drop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearsinhouston View Post
    My honest (and sad) opinion is that you can't prove you are a guru if you leave things the same.
    I believe that is part of the reason Jerry Angelo failed as GM. He gambled on draft picks that would have made him look like a guru - if they had been successful. There were time he rolled the dice on guys that had some measurable, but who couldn't play football very well. And of course they failed, and quickly were out of the NFL (no other teams were crazy enough to want them).

    I wish JA had just spent those picks on more conventional players rather than gambling on guys who would have made him look the guru if they had hit. It was like trying to fill an inside straight in poker all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPBears68 View Post
    I've been fighting this "Emery should have done..." battle for days now now with JABF & Ric. I understand the frustration over Webb and how long this has gone on. I share it. But there was NO HELP to be found at LT this year either in FA or the draft. Please, guys, drop it.
    I'd agree that when we were up there were probably no LTs that could have provided an instant fix. I wanted an LT. I am fine with Shea. We could have pulled the trigger in FA, but it would have broke the bank. I don't know. Sometimes I think we should have. I know that this next off-season we need to.

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