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    Can Tice Get His Offense Back on Track?..............

    It’s up to Mike Tice to get Bears’ offense back on track

    BY MARK POTASH mpotash@suntimes.com September 20, 2012 9:08PM


    Offensive coordinator Mike Tice, a no-nonsense guy, has to give quarterback Jay Cutler more protection. | Nam Y. Huh~AP



    Updated: September 21, 2012 2:33AM


    Mike Tice is a straight-talking New Yorker who will only take so much crap. When he was a freshman quarterback at Maryland in 1977, he got into a fight with a teammate — a senior all-conference defensive lineman who cheap-shotted him in practice one time too many.


    ‘‘Most quarterbacks won’t stand up for their rights,’’ Tice said at the time. ‘‘I just hauled off and hit him.’’



    A prep All-American at Central Islip High School on Long Island, Tice never became the quarterback he and others expected him to be at Maryland, though he did lead the Terrapins to the Tangerine Bowl as a senior. But he was determined to make it in the NFL.


    Tice was not selected in the 12-round draft of 1981 and signed a free-agent contract with the Seattle Seahawks. As Jim Zorn, then the Seahawks’ starting quarterback recalls, Tice didn’t look like an NFL quarterback.
    But that’s not all he noticed.


    ‘‘He’s a real smart guy,’’ Zorn said. ‘‘As I remember it, the coaching staff was going to [cut him]. And he went in and said, ‘Coach, give me one more week. Let me play tight end. And if you don’t like what you see in one week at tight end, then cut me.’



    ‘‘And you know what? He blocked his rear end off. He did a great job blocking. He just fought to learn the passing game and fought to learn to catch the ball and made [the team]. And he played for a lot of years. He’s a tough, tough guy.’’


    More than 30 years later, it’s up to Tice to summon all those qualities that made him what he is today to get the Bears’ offense back on track — the street-smart toughness; the ability to take a hit, get back on his feet, learn from his mistakes and learn quickly; and, most important, his ability to do whatever it takes to achieve his goal.


    It’s evident now more than ever that Jay Cutler is Jay Cutler, and the Bears’ fortunes rest more with Tice’s ability to put him in a position to succeed than on Cutler’s ability to overcome the obstacles NFL quarterbacks face on a regular basis — the pass rush, a ‘‘two-man’’ zone, well-covered receivers, the loss of Matt Forte and fans making too much noise when the Bears are in the red zone.
    “We talked about putting on to make plays,’’players in position," said Tice, the Bears’ first-year offensive coordinator. ‘‘We’ve got to do a better job of that, and we will. At the same time, it’s very important that you win the individual battles, and we didn’t win enough of those.”

    (Blah, blah, blah......when Mike when? Preseason is over now. That's what you said then. Now the games count so get 'er dun')



    The Bears are selling the loss to the Packers as ‘‘just one game,’’ but it seemed like more than that because so many preseason promises rang hollow.

    (Yeah, ain't that the truth)


    Whatever happened to the idea that Tice would use ‘‘schemes’’ to protect Cutler even if J’Marcus Webb or others weren’t good enough to do the job themselves? (‘‘We’re going to make sure we’re not embarrassing anybody or hurting our quarterback,’’ Tice said in August. ‘‘We’re going to have schemes where if we have a guy that we’re not matching up well against, we’re going to make sure that guy has two guys on him throughout the game.’’)

    (Good question Mike. What's the answer to that and where's this new fangled "Hester Package" we heard to much about?)

    Whatever happened to the idea that Cutler could do everything Mike Martz’s offense wouldn’t allow him to do to combat furious pass rushes — like moving the pocket with rollouts and using audibles? We didn’t see too many rollouts against the Packers. And perhaps we ignored one important facet of the audible — the quarterback still has to make the right decision.

    And whatever happened to the idea that if opponents take Brandon Marshall out of the game, it will open opportunities for other receivers? Early in the fourth quarter, Tramon Williams caught as many passes from Cutler as Marshall, Earl Bennett, Devin Hester and Alshon Jeffery combined.

    Give Tice credit for acknowledging the Bears’ failure on most of those counts. ‘‘It starts with me,’’ he said.

    (Yep and here's your award for recoginzing that )


    Now, what can he do about it?


    ‘‘We need to block, block, block people,’’ Tice said. ‘‘We can’t do anything unless we block people. You go into a game, and you believe you have a good plan. You tweak the plan in the course of a game, and you try to put players in a position to succeed. Not always can a [lineman] have help. So when those occasions arise, when a player doesn’t get the help, he’s got to win.

    (And that'll get you your second Captain Obvious award )


    “We don’t expect our players to grade out 100 percent. But we expect better results than we had.’

    (Mike maybe you should start expecting 100% and settle for 90% instead of expecting 90% and settling for 45%)
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    I'm sure the rest of you are getting pretty tired about hearing about all these great new offensive innovations too. Dontcha think it's about time we actually see some of them.

    They have to be more than just diagrams in a playbook in order to work. Martz had a thousand pages of those and his didn't work either.

    What's that Bible passage? What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? I'm gettin' a little tired of this faith thing. Mike Tice can have all the faith he wants but as for me, I want to see some works. I've had empty faith long enough.
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    But this morning I'm thinking I need to settle down and stick with my original plan. This team should improve as the season progresses. Tice should improve with a few games as OC. Really, it's not unusual if the guy struggles a bit INITIALLY as our new OC.

    Regarding the trick plays they talked about in camp. Let's just get the "basics" in place first. Once we can get those "right" then maybe branch out with the weird stuff.

    Part of our problem is that we just need to settle down and let guys learn and improve. Game reps should help. And I hope we quit flip flopping players around to new positions on that oline. Most of them are crap. But let them alone & they will improve.....and be the best crappy players they can be. Seriously. The time for setting the oline should have happened months ago......in fact, I wish they had entered training camp with the oline set.
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    Hell, I even think Webb deserves until the Cowboys game to improve. The Packers game was only ONE game, but unforunately, it was the packers and emotions always run high with them. They simply need to get back to the basics this week, not a cheap win like the Bears KC game of 2007 (which is interesting, because no one really believed in that 20-10 victory, which was followed by a stomping at the hands of the Cowboys and effectively decided Grossman's starting QB abilities here), but a solid effort which doesn't have Cutler shellacked, and has more than Marshall and Bush getting in the game early.


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    I think the key to this game is not getting the kick off. Let them have the ball first

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ-30 View Post
    I think the key to this game is not getting the kick off. Let them have the ball first
    I think that would help too. Let our defense go first. Then I hope we run some, and mix it up with high-percentage quick passes. Sure thing stuff that can build a bit of confidence for Cutler (and heck, for the oline too).

    I do want to believe Tice isn't crazy. He should call a much better game this time.
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    I do want to believe Tice isn't crazy.
    I know. I want to believe in olympic gymnasts that want to use me as a sex toy. And Santa Claus. However, we may both end up disillusioned.

    God, I could live without Santa if you are listening.....

    Edit: When will I learn to be specific about my wishes...... female gymnast please.....
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    tice played to all of green bays strengths. he let them use their speed, put our payers in crappy position, and he did not run the ball near enough early in the game. I think if we would have allowed our line to take steps forward (running) and be physical instaed of immediately retreating on every assignment. How often are we running the ball on 1st down.

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    Sorry :D Popped into my head as soon as I read the title and saw that pic of Tice...lol
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