Thread: 2 sides 2 issues

Per Colin Cowherd there is a deal in place in theory and maybe able to play this weekend.

Colin further defined, 18K full time employees w/no pension, 175 part time that do.

Consessions have been made on both sides on all sticking points.

found this on epsn:


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/84...y-week-sources

Sources: Ref lockout could end soon

Updated: September 26, 2012, 12:03 PM ET
By Chris Mortensen | ESPN

The NFL and the NFL Referees Association made enough progress in negotiations Tuesday night that the possibility of the locked-out officials returning in time to work this week's games has been discussed, according to sources on both sides.
An agreement in principle is at hand, according to one source familiar to talks.
Although league sources said it would take a week to get the locked-out officials on the field, the NFLRA says its 121 referees have been trained on the new rules implemented last season, have already passed physicals or are prepared to pass physicals immediately. New official game uniforms designed by Nike are "hardly an obstacle," according to a source.
Both sides have made concessions on previous sticking points such as a taxi squad of 21 new officials and pension plans that sources say the final meaningful hurdle is, as one source said, "about a little more money."
While league sources say owners who participated in a conference call with commissioner Roger Goodell during Tuesday's talks had instructed the negotiating team to set a firm barrier for the financial settlement, the NFLRA is prepared to accept a new agreement primarily in the form of a "ratification bonus," which would compensate its 121-member union for concessions it is willing to make.

cnn:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...av&sct=hp_nv_a

NFL reaches agreement with refs union on backup crews

The NFL and NFL Referees Association have reached an agreement on the issue of backup crews, reports NFL.com.
The league compromised in putting 21 full-time officials in developmental program. The 21 officials (three crews of seven officials each) will not be part of a regular group of NFL officials. The regular officials are still locked out as retirement pension remains an issue.
The NFL and NFLRA negotiated past midnight on Tuesday, but are still far apart on various issues.

“When you take a group of officials who have a collective experience of 1,500 years off the field and you replace them with a group of replacements who don’t have that experience, our players know that the workplace today is less safe than it was with the real officials,” NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith said on “CBS This Morning”.

The officials had a defined-benefit pension plan and the NFL wants to eliminate that plan and switch the NFLRA over to a 401(k).

I'm stubborn too; I see it in both my kids more and more everyday. I'll argue until the dead horse is dust ;p.

The only time I lose it is when someone claims I have no idea, or have no reason to think one way b/c it shows they are more against my PoV then what I've actually said. I rarely make 100% definative statements for or against something. Me and Soul have gotten into it; don't think you were around last year during the lockout, but like you said, I could always see his point. I pride myself it trying to understand someones PoV, even if I disagree w/it.


unless i'm in TBS, then it's flame on ;p

the refs are making mistakes and that will happen, they are new. Hell every year there are a few new refs. Ill leave you with this, how many really really bad calls have we had against us? not many because why? were playing clean football compared to others