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    Orton keeps turning up on Bears radar

    Interesting.

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    Orton keeps turning up on Bears radar

    Dan Pompei
    On the NFL
    6:06 PM CDT, September 29, 2012


    At one point or another, the Bears decided they preferred Rex Grossman, Chad Hutchinson, Brian Griese, Jay Cutler and Jason Campbell over Kyle Orton.


    Since drafting Orton in the fourth round in 2005, the Bears have had a history of trying to get a better quarterback.


    They were forced to start him in his rookie year after Grossman was injured and Hutchinson struggled. He won 10 games, but the next season he was demoted to third string as Grossman was healthy again and the Bears signed Griese.


    In 2007 Grossman was benched, and Griese replaced him. After the Bears were out of playoff contention, Orton finally was given the last three starts of the season. He won two.


    The Bears finally decided Orton was their guy in 2008. He went 9-6 in 15 starts but didn't exactly light up the scoreboards.


    In the offseason, he was sent to the Broncos in the widely heralded trade for Cutler.


    The Bears tried to get Orton back last season after Cutler was injured, putting a waiver claim on him. But the Chiefs had priority in the claiming order, so he was awarded to them while current Bears general manager Phil Emery was working as the team's college scouting director.


    Then in the offseason the Bears had another chance to acquire Orton. Instead, they moved quickly on the more mobile Campbell. Orton hooked up with the Cowboys, and his path will intersect with the Bears again Monday night as he is Tony Romo's backup.


    Have the Bears been guilty of continually underestimating Orton? With his big arm and defense-friendly, low-risk style, he might have been perfect for this team and this city.


    There is no question the Bears have more potential with Cutler than they would with Orton.


    Cutler has done everything better with the Bears than Orton did — except win. Cutler has had a better passer rating (80.5 to 71.1) and completion percentage (59.4 to 55.3).


    It's difficult to say what Orton would have done if he had stayed with Bears. Orton's Broncos numbers actually were better than Cutler's Bears statistics have been. Orton had a better passer rating (85.7) and completion percentage (60.3).


    When the Bears see him standing on the Cowboys sideline, perhaps they will think about what might have been.


    Numbers gamesWinning QBs


    A quarterback's won-lost record isn't necessarily the best indicator of his impact. But the statistic certainly has some merit.


    Here are the 10 best Bears since 1961 based on winning percentage for at least 15 starts.


    1. Jim McMahon — .754. The punky QB was nothing if not a winner. Played on a team that wasn't half bad.


    2. Mike Phipps — .700. Surprised by this one? Phipps started only 20 games, but he went 9-1 during the magical 1979 season.


    3. Mike Tomczak — .677. Jimmy Mac's caddie kept it going pretty well during the regular season, but he was the starter for two playoff losses.


    4. Kyle Orton — .636. His 21-12 record with the Bears was reversed (12-21) with the Broncos.


    5. Rex Grossman — .612. He had one great winning year, going 13-3 in the 2006 Super Bowl season.


    6. Jay Cutler — .590. He was supposed to take the Bears to the next level. We're waiting.


    7. Jim Miller — .576. He won 15 games in 26 starts for the Bears, going 11-2 in 2001, but he started only one other game for seven other teams in a 12-year career.


    8. Rudy Bukich — .566. In 1965, Bukich was the third-leading passer in the NFL with a 93.7 rating, and he led the Bears to a 9-3 record as a starter (with a little help from two rookies named Sayers and Butkus).


    9. Billy Wade — .551. He went 27-20-2 as a starter from 1961-66 after seven seasons with the Rams, and all he did was break up the Packers' NFL championship string with an 11-1-2 mark in 1963. He also led the league with a 93.7 rating in 1961. Oh, one other thing: He came out of Vanderbilt.


    10. Jim Harbaugh — .538. His record as the Bears' starter was decent, but his record as the 49ers' coach is outstanding (.789).

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    I like it. As long as he shaves his neck.

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    I remember when all the faults of a qb for over/under throwing or checking down to much or not scoring enough or turning the ball over had nothing to do w/the OC, WR's or OL and the qb just wasn't very good.

    Orton isn't very good btw, and god help him if Romo gets knocked out b/c he, like Rex, need very good OL's and weapons around him to succeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    I remember when all the faults of a qb for over/under throwing or checking down to much or not scoring enough or turning the ball over had nothing to do w/the OC, WR's or OL and the qb just wasn't very good.

    Orton isn't very good btw, and god help him if Romo gets knocked out b/c he, like Rex, need very good OL's and weapons around him to succeed.
    It was all Jerry Angelo's fault !

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    Quote Originally Posted by omc1969 View Post

    It was all Jerry Angelo's fault !

    Everything is JA's fault. I'm sure he's responsible for my high taxes too!
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    I see Pompei is taking a page out of David Haugh's playbook with what is essentially a "Should we have kept Orton instead of trading for Cutler? Yep!" article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    I remember when all the faults of a qb for over/under throwing or checking down to much or not scoring enough or turning the ball over had nothing to do w/the OC, WR's or OL and the qb just wasn't very good.

    Orton isn't very good btw, and god help him if Romo gets knocked out b/c he, like Rex, need very good OL's and weapons around him to succeed.
    Orton is a very good #2 guy when you have a sturdy guy like Cutler starting. He would have made a decent backup in Chicago but the type of passing game we could have run with him would have needed to be vastly different than the one we can run with Cutler. Campbell has the arm to run it but Orton does not.

    Where that comment about his big arm comes from I don't know because he doesn't have all that good of an arm. When he can wind up he can throw the deep ball but with very little accuracy. What he really lacks is the velocity on his throws to make many of the throws Cutler make throwing off his back foot.

    Orton doesn't have an arm that can drive the ball into tight windows or hit deep out. As soon as the AFC began to figure that out and take away his pet throws from him the QB who was on a track to break Marino's single season yardage record all of a sudden looked very mortal. Orton can win you some games but playoffs and a run at the SB? Not ever.
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    Orton has improved his mechanics a ton since he was a rookie here in Chicago. He used to have a funky long windup that worked fine at Purdue, but didn't cut it in the NFL. He's a much better QB now than when he was in Chicago.

    That being said, he's not a decent NFL starter. He'd be a solid backup.

    We have a much better #2 now with Campbell, but I'd be surprised if we can keep him after this 1 year contract ends at the end of this season. He's good enough, and young enough to be a starter in the NFL. Orton will never be a starter again unless it's a situation where he's the #2 taking over for an injured #1
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    Orton is a good QB, if you like someone who cannot hit a receiver more than 15 yards downfield. Cutler's problem is our weak O line. It takes time for receivers to get open deep and the line is not giving it to him. So he is trying to force the ball into double coverage and worse. If they were to protect him better he will pick almost any defense apart. They need to run more quick passes over the middle.

    Prediction: Unless there is marked improvement in his play, J. Marcus Webb is playing his last season in a Bear uniform.
    Last edited by TennBear; 10-01-2012 at 05:17 PM.

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