We Haven't Played Anybody!

As I said, personnel decisions are not on Marz. He can suggest people but lovie and Angelo make the calls.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/chi/year/2011

Look at the numbers last year, you may be surprised, kellen Davis was one of the top scorers on the team with 5 td's. they got rid of Olsen because he can't block, which would make him useless now too. so Martz did in fact call for te's... Just In the red zone. Also look at the run pass numbers. None of which support what people have said about Martz.

Chester Taylor was a good pick up, barber was out of shape and over the hill. Tell me where you could find a bigger better wide out than Roy Williams for under a million? Not gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by XxMidwayMonstersxX

As I said, personnel decisions are not on Marz. He can suggest people but lovie and Angelo make the calls.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/chi/year/2011

Look at the numbers last year, you may be surprised, kellen Davis was one of the top scorers on the team with 5 td's. they got rid of Olsen because he can't block, which would make him useless now too. so Martz did in fact call for te's... Just In the red zone. Also look at the run pass numbers. None of which support what people have said about Martz.

Chester Taylor was a good pick up, barber was out of shape and over the hill. Tell me where you could find a bigger better wide out than Roy Williams for under a million? Not gonna happen.

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Roy Williams sucked as a Bear.

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Originally Posted by soulman

Sorry Monster. You're entitled to your own opinion of course but I gotta tell you that this Martz > Tice as an OC is a dog that won't hunt around here.

I'm no typical Martz hater so don't go down that road. Martz work as the Bears OC has been pretty thoroughly discussed around here to the point of being beaten to death, dug up and beaten again while dead, then buried once more and we all pissed on his grave after the second memorial service. Best let sleeping dogs lie or in this case a dead horse.

I'm not saying that Mike Martz can't run any offense successfully, although his track record since his days with the Rams doesn't exactly look good on his resume, but I am saying that he didn't run the Bears offense successfully.

If we'd have kept him around we would have needed a spare body parts locker for Jay Cutler's. The guys uses up his QBs and gets them sacked way too often. I can assume you remember that we were setting records for most sacks allowed these last two years. Aside from that Martz forced some of the dumbest personnel acquisitions on this team that I ever saw and because we're speaking of the Jerry Angelo era here that's saying something.

Ches "the less" ter Taylor, Manu male, "uma God I missed another block" our 290lb FB, "Hands" Williams who Martz swore he could resurrect into an 80-100 catch a year WR. Trade a 50 catch per year TE because he wouldn't use him. Let's see. Did I miss anybody? Sorry the guy wasn't living in a world of anything but his own realities and 400 page play book that no one could execute.

He had to go.

Now I don't disagree with your last two paragraphs except the final sentence. You may be right but since he's still learning and far more in touch with the reality of his players abilities than Martz ever was as long as both he and Webb continue to improve a little bit every game I'm willing to live with those two for the time being.

Martz was never a good choice for an OC in Chicago and the only reason that he got the job is because Bates went elsewhere. Now Bates is here albeit as Tice assistant but in the end he'll be a very valuable assistant because he knows how to get the best out of Cutler and Marshall and my guess is Tice will listen to him. If Martz was still here there'd be no Jeremy Bates and in the long run that would have proven to have been a problem. Cutler will listen to Bates but he'd already stopped listening to Martz failed ideas and plans right after he told his QB coach to tell Martz to "go Fuck himself".

Cutler and Martz were not a good pairing and it's easier to find an OC than it is a franchise QB and anyone should know that it's another Bears fan. :drinking61:

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Your hatred towards martz almost equals my towards Angelo.

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Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Roy Williams sucked as a Bear.

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Not when it came to making that first down sign.

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Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Roy Williams sucked as a Bear.

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His numbers are scary similar to Johnny Knox, did Knox suck as a bear?

Roy Williams sucked as a football player, but as a number 3 or 4 guy for under 1mill I'd take him.

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Originally Posted by XxMidwayMonstersxX

His numbers are scary similar to Johnny Knox, did Knox suck as a bear?

Roy Williams sucked as a football player, but as a number 3 or 4 guy for under 1mill I'd take him.

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But he was not signed to be a 3 or 4 guy. He was signed to be the Bears big threat.

And yes, the numbers Knox put up were less than stellar. The difference is Big Ol Roy was a long tenured vet, while Knox was still a developing player.

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Originally Posted by 4th and 26

Not when it came to making that first down sign.

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Something we can all agree on lol!!! Also wtf Jerry Angelo! I wouldn't spit on him if he were on fire I swear I wouldn't.

How that man stole a decade of employment from the bears organization is beyond me. Shoulda fired him after he lost Roosevelt Colvin in 2001.

Lol enough, stop making me defend Roy Williams! I'm starting to choke on my own self hate.

You are right, he wasn't signed to be a 3 or 4.... But if he was... Oh forget it. Terrible football player, TERRIBLE!

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Originally Posted by XxMidwayMonstersxX

Lol enough, stop making me defend Roy Williams! I'm starting to choke on my own self hate.

You are right, he wasn't signed to be a 3 or 4.... But if he was... Oh forget it. Terrible football player, TERRIBLE!

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Thank you!

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Originally Posted by 4th and 26

Your hatred towards martz almost equals my towards Angelo.

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I blame Jerry Angelo - for hiring Martz :smile: