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    By Dan Pompei, Tribune reporter

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    How do you think this year's defensive unit compares with the '85 Bears? -- Mike Litwin, Chicago

    Let's not get carried away here. This is a good defense. It can't touch the '85 Bears though, which many regard as the greatest defense in modern NFL history. Remember a couple of things about the '85 Bears defense. First, every member of the starting lineup was in the absolute prime of his career with the exception of Gary Fencik, who was 31 at the time. Second, that defense had a cutting edge scheme that left opponents cross-eyed. The 2011 Bears have a scheme that is easy to figure out from a mental standpoint. Opponents, with the exception of the Packers, have not been able to physically beat it. If I had to pick a starting defense from among the 1985 Bears and the 2011 Bears, I might not pick a single member of the 2011 Bears. Julius Peppers is a fine player at 32, but 25-year-old Richard Dent had 17 sacks in 1985. Peppers' career high is 14.5, and that was four years ago. Brian Urlacher in his prime arguably was better than Mike Singletary, but 34-year old Urlacher wouldn't be better than 27-year old Singletary. If I were playing the Cover 2, I'd take Charles Tillman over Mike Richardson. But not if I were playing the 46 defense the Bears played in 1985. The hardest call might be Lance Briggs versus Wilber Marshall. Briggs is playing some of the best football of his life through five games. But Marshall was at the height of his game and one of the most athletic linebackers to ever play the game. Marshall was probably better for that scheme, and he likely would have been outstanding in the current scheme as well.

    Do you think the Bears could win the Super Bowl? -- Orlando Nunez Jr., Chicago

    Absolutely. Why couldn't they? I'm not saying they will win the Super Bowl. But they are certainly capable. They have had a Super Bowl caliber defense through five games. Their quarterback has the ability to get them there. They can run the ball and operate a diverse offense. They have a special return man. I don't mean to cop out on your answer, but at this point I would say most teams in the NFL could win the Super Bowl. No one can determine who will win the Super Bowl based on September and October. But the Bears have a better chance than many of their competitors. The only teams I would say that have no shot, based on what they have done up to now, are the Browns, Colts, Titans, Jaguars, Raiders, Chiefs, Panthers and Saints.

    Unless he has a remarkable resurgence the likes of which I've not seen before, I can't see Brian Urlacher continuing to play after this season -- he just is not the same guy. Not even close. With that assumption (and it might be a huge assumption) along with Luke Kuechly looking like he's now "the guy" in the middle for the Panthers and making Jon Beason the odd man out. Is there a scenario where you see the Bears and Panthers making yet another trade in the offseason with Beason coming to the Windy City? -- Dave Bentley, Charlotte, N.C.

    I think you are making a lot of assumptions with Urlacher. I would not be surprised if he makes progress and signs a new contract with the Bears. Remember he has a value to this team that goes beyond making tackles. His leadership is valued greatly by Lovie Smith. That being said, it's also not out of the question that this could be his last year in Chicago. And if the Bears have to replace him, their options may be limited. The group of middle linebackers with expiring contracts is not very enticing. A trade with the Panthers could make sense, though the Bears already are without third and seventh round picks for next year. This is a team that needs an infusion of young players, and trading away more draft picks for a linebacker who will be 28 years old might not be the best way to go. The decision the Bears might have to make at the end of the year is re-signing Urlacher or moving Nick Roach to middle linebacker and replacing Roach at strong side linebacker So even if Urlacher is not a perfect world option next year, he very well could be the Bears' best option.

    With all the talk about Henry Melton getting a contract extension, why is there no talk about one for the best player on the other side of the line, Lance Louis? Louis has been the most dependable, consistent offensive lineman this season by far and should be a cornerstone for the future. Agree? -- Danny Jones, Iowa City, Iowa

    Good point Danny. Just because we have not heard any talk about extending Louis' contract does not mean there hasn't been any talk behind closed doors. And even if the Bears have not spoken with Louis' agents about an extension, that does not mean they won't prioritize re-signing him before he hits the open market. The thing about Louis is he is a developing, emerging player. So it might make sense for all parties to wait until after the season to best gauge his value to the team. But he clearly is not a player the Bears should allow to leave. They can't afford to let a good offensive lineman walk after spending four years developing him.

    Since Johnny Knox is a free agent after this year what are the chances the Bears will resign him even though he may never return to his pre-injury form or may never be 100 percent again? -- Vince Dance, Gary, Ind.

    It's a good question and there are a lot of variables as to whether or not Knox has a future with the Bears beyond 2012. The first issue is his health. The second issue is determining his value. The third issue is whether or not there will be an outside market for his services. I'll say this though: the Bears have a lot of respect for Knox, what he has gone through and how hard he has worked to come back. They also know he is a fine player when healthy, and one of their own. If he can come back, I will be very surprised if the team does not make a reasonable attempt to keep him around.

    You think Bears would take Denard Robinson in the draft as a RB/WR hybrid? -- @JamesInMI, from Twitter

    Not as long as Devin Hester is around. We don't really know how the Michigan quarterback is going to shake out as a pro prospect yet because of his anticipated position switch, but my suspicion is he will be a very similar player to Hester. And you wouldn't need two players like Hester.

    Is there any chance the Bears will look at Minnesota to find ways to utilize Devin Hester the way the Vikings are using Percy Harvin or take some plays from Green Bay and their utilization of Randall Cobb? They all seem to have the same skill set but the Vikings and Green Bay seemed to have figured out how to use their dynamic players, and if they haven't considered it can you please suggest they do so. Devin Hester taking direct snaps out of the backfield would be awesome. -- Isaac Sykes, Woodbridge, Va.

    I'm sure the Bears have studied how the Vikings use Harvin and how the Packers use Cobb. These are three different players though. Harvin is much stronger and more difficult to tackle than Hester. Cobb has a better feel for the game than Hester. And Hester may be the fastest of the group. So you really can't use Hester quite the way the Vikings use Harvin or the way the Packers use Cobb.

    I know the rumor around the league is that there is a shortage of starting-caliber quarterbacks, but I would beg to differ. Do you think the real shortage in the NFL is on starting caliber offensive linemen especially tackles. And this is not just a 2012 thing, this has been an issue for several years now, but for some reason it is coming more to light in this season. Here is a list of teams with playoff ability across the board except for at the O-line position: Patriots, Bears, Cardinals, Eagles, Cowboys, Steelers, Jets (not really a playoff team, but they could be better). Don't you think these QBs would fair a lot better if they got at least good protection? Maybe we wouldn't be so quick to give up on some young QBs if they could get a chance to just set and throw. Your thoughts? -- Siron Glover, Phoenix, Ariz.

    I agree there is a shortage of starting-caliber offensive tackles. And there is a shortage of superior offensive tackles. But there also is a shortage of quarterbacks. The biggest problem is there aren't enough good players to stock 32 teams. But offensive linemen have not kept pace athletically with defensive linemen, which exacerbates the problem. This is what Giants general manager Jerry Reese told me about the phenomenon: "Offensive line play probably is not as good as it used to be because, more than ever, all the best athletes play defense. You see it at the combine. The height, weight, speed difference between the lines is pretty dramatic."

    Last week at Jacksonville, Matt Forte had over 100 yards rushing and Brandon Marshall had over 100 yards receiving in the same game. When was the last time this happened with the Bears? -- Jim Bostler

    It is a fairly uncommon achievement. Forte and Marshall are the first Bears teammates to have 100-yards rushing and 100-yards receiving in the same game since Thomas Jones (113 rushing) and Muhsin Muhammad (123 receiving) did it on Nov. 12, 2006 against the Giants.

    Can you explain why every team has to have inactive players on game day? This rule has never made any sense to me. If you're healthy and on the roster, you should be able to play. There's no such rule in baseball or basketball. Do you know when this practice started and does the NFL have any official explanation for it? -- Carl Dreyer, Rock Island

    There has been talk of doing away with the inactive list, but there is a purpose for it. It's a way for teams to carry injured players on their 53-man roster. If a team didn't have injured players and carried 53 healthy men, it would have an unfair advantage over a team with only 45 healthy bodies. So having an inactive list is a way to even the playing field. Having eight inactives also helps NFL teams develop and maintain younger players who might not be ready to play. The alternative to having eight inactives on game day probably would be a smaller roster size.




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    Can you explain why every team has to have inactive players on game day? This rule has never made any sense to me. If you're healthy and on the roster, you should be able to play. There's no such rule in baseball or basketball. Do you know when this practice started and does the NFL have any official explanation for it? -- Carl Dreyer, Rock Island

    There has been talk of doing away with the inactive list, but there is a purpose for it. It's a way for teams to carry injured players on their 53-man roster. If a team didn't have injured players and carried 53 healthy men, it would have an unfair advantage over a team with only 45 healthy bodies. So having an inactive list is a way to even the playing field. Having eight inactives also helps NFL teams develop and maintain younger players who might not be ready to play. The alternative to having eight inactives on game day probably would be a smaller roster size.


    I (me) on't buy into this reason. Really a 3rd string player being avaliable is the difference. If you get to this point, in a game, your already hurting. It just mite make teams put a player on IR and not hide him. Said player will miss 6 weeks, do you put said player on IR will the HOPE he might come back early? Or do you put him on IR and fill the space with a younger player? To me the younger player has a better chance to get game REP's that way. Am I mistaken , but the 3rd string QB doesn't count?

    EDIT A player on IR is out 8 weeks, but can practice with the team after 6 weeks. FOR PLAYER SAFETY ( LOL like the NFL REALLY cares) wouldn't it make sense to get said player BACK in game shape?
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    The way NFL teams handle the IR and roster size are two things I'd like to see changed. They experimented with a change this year on a very limited basis but I feel the should do more. Something more like the MLB rules where you might have a short term IR option (say two games) and longer term one (say 6-8 games).

    The idea of having to place a player on IR for the season who would be healthy enough to return at some late point in time or expose him to waivers in order to activate him is archaic. It's out lived it's usefulness and it should be changed.

    Cap the roster size at 49 or 50 players, increase the size of the PS from 8 to 12 and do away with the inactive status. Also allow teams to protect players on their PS for one season and allow freedom of movement to and from the PS to the game day roster and back again. Only players who are on the PS for a second season with their team are eligible to be poached by another team.

    By doing this you'll see teams be able to keep more "developmental players" instead of having to structure their PS by position so they have enough players to flesh out a scout team in practice. It becomes a little easier to "red shirt" a promising rookie that way. Certain positions take longer to develop at the NFL level and this would help with that development especially for QBs and OLineman.
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    There is definitely a shortage of quality OLineman as evidenced by the struggles the Bears and many other teams have had protecting the QB. Sacks are on the rise again despite more liberal rules regarding holding and more mobile QBs.

    This goes back to my suggestion that the size of the PS be increased so that teams can keep extra lineman and/or a QB who they might want to give extra time and attention to in order to develop him.

    Even looking at the top lineman coming out college few are competent pass protectors early in their careers. From what I've seen lately a team is just as likely to take a late round draft pick or an UDFA and develop him into a good pass blocker as they are to draft one in the first round. Contrast Gabe Carimi and Lance Louis and you'll see what I mean.

    We have been clamoring for the Bears to replace Webb for over two years but with who? If the best we could come up with to challenge him was CWill and JScott then you know the cupboard is pretty bare. It takes no less than three seasons starting to develop a solid NFL LT and even when you draft one in the first round like we did with CWill half of them turn out to be failures just as he did.

    The best road to follow if you lack one is to open up your cap check book on the first day of FA and buy the best one you can or have at least two or three OT's in development on the active roster and the PS which is again why they need to increase the size of both the active rosters and the PS.
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    The decision the Bears might have to make at the end of the year is re-signing Urlacher or moving Nick Roach to middle linebacker and replacing Roach at strong side linebacker So even if Urlacher is not a perfect world option next year, he very well could be the Bears' best option.
    There is a major dropoff in talent when Roach is MLB. Our defensive unit simply isn't the same with him as our MLB. We need to draft Brian's eventual replacement. Even if we do sign Brian to a contract, we still need to draft his replacement. Now.
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    I know the rumor around the league is that there is a shortage of starting-caliber quarterbacks, but I would beg to differ. Do you think the real shortage in the NFL is on starting caliber offensive linemen especially tackles. And this is not just a 2012 thing, this has been an issue for several years now, but for some reason it is coming more to light in this season. Here is a list of teams with playoff ability across the board except for at the O-line position: Patriots, Bears, Cardinals, Eagles, Cowboys, Steelers, Jets (not really a playoff team, but they could be better). Don't you think these QBs would fair a lot better if they got at least good protection? Maybe we wouldn't be so quick to give up on some young QBs if they could get a chance to just set and throw. Your thoughts? -- Siron Glover, Phoenix, Ariz.

    I agree there is a shortage of starting-caliber offensive tackles. And there is a shortage of superior offensive tackles. But there also is a shortage of quarterbacks. The biggest problem is there aren't enough good players to stock 32 teams. But offensive linemen have not kept pace athletically with defensive linemen, which exacerbates the problem. This is what Giants general manager Jerry Reese told me about the phenomenon: "Offensive line play probably is not as good as it used to be because, more than ever, all the best athletes play defense. You see it at the combine. The height, weight, speed difference between the lines is pretty dramatic."


    A few weeks ago I made a statement that my boss had read an article about this. The best Linemen are becoming DL's which is exasperating the discrepency between good/great OL and DL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99 View Post

    The decision the Bears might have to make at the end of the year is re-signing Urlacher or moving Nick Roach to middle linebacker and replacing Roach at strong side linebacker So even if Urlacher is not a perfect world option next year, he very well could be the Bears' best option.
    There is a major dropoff in talent when Roach is MLB. Our defensive unit simply isn't the same with him as our MLB. We need to draft Brian's eventual replacement. Even if we do sign Brian to a contract, we still need to draft his replacement. Now.
    In a rare disagreement with Soulman, I too believe that it will be imperative for the Bears to draft a promising ILB prospect high next year. Can't wait any longer. Even if Urlacher steadily improves this year and plays next, we need his replacement on the roster to develop ASAP. The new guy can play some SLB while he learns.

    Te'o is the obvious candidate (like Kuechley was last year) but I doubt he will last long enough for us to get a shot at him. We need to be scouting non- "top15" nfl prospects for a candidate and probably use our (hopefully late) 1st round pick there. Can't wait any longer.

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    Unless he has a remarkable resurgence the likes of which I've not seen before, I can't see Brian Urlacher continuing to play after this season -- he just is not the same guy. Not even close. With that assumption (and it might be a huge assumption) along with Luke Kuechly looking like he's now "the guy" in the middle for the Panthers and making Jon Beason the odd man out. Is there a scenario where you see the Bears and Panthers making yet another trade in the offseason with Beason coming to the Windy City? -- Dave Bentley, Charlotte, N.C.


    This guys sounds a little impatient to me. Urlacher never played or even worked out much in the preseason and he had surgery on his knee yet he hasn't missed a single game, he improved a bit each game, and the only LB with more tackles than he has is Briggs and this is the best I've ever seen him play and that's saying something since the guy is a perennial Pro Bowler.

    He's getting there and IF he wants to continue playing after this season he will and I'd say it's 99.9% certain it will be in Chicago. You don't let a Bears future HOF MLB like Urlacher finish his career elsewhere. Either Brian hangs it up (unlikely) or he signs an extension for another 2 or 3 years (likely).

    His knee condition isn't degenerative and not only is he a "freak" but he's always one of the best conditioned guys on the team. He maintains his playing weight well and stays in shape. He may have lost a little of his speed but he's smart enough to compensate for it and he still is the most dangerous MLB in coverage in the NFL. The bottom line is he can still play and he should still play.

    I'll trust HIM to know when it's time to hang it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPBears68 View Post
    In a rare disagreement with Soulman, I too believe that it will be imperative for the Bears to draft a promising ILB prospect high next year. Can't wait any longer. Even if Urlacher steadily improves this year and plays next, we need his replacement on the roster to develop ASAP. The new guy can play some SLB while he learns.

    Te'o is the obvious candidate (like Kuechley was last year) but I doubt he will last long enough for us to get a shot at him. We need to be scouting non- "top15" nfl prospects for a candidate and probably use our (hopefully late) 1st round pick there. Can't wait any longer.
    I'm not against using a high draft pick on a MLB MP but I am against trying to trade up for Manti Te'o if he ends up being a top ten or top fifteen pick and we're picking somewhere in the mid to late 20's as we should be. The price will be too high.

    Roach is obviously not the guy to be Urlacher's heir. He's a good role player in this defense and he can handle it in a pinch but he's not the guy you want playing there all season long. If we can get Te'o without trading away half our draft then fine but if not we need to go a different route.

    I'm not convinced that Brian won't be around for at least one or two more seasons anyway so if we did draft Te'o he'd be playing SLB to begin with. Drafting our next great MLB in the first and playing him at SLB is one thing but trading away picks to get him and still not being able to use him there from the get go is another thing all together.

    We need to wait and see where we stand after this season is over, what Brian decides to do, and what the Bears decide to do regarding his new deal. Besides I'm still not 100% convinced they don't have some thoughts about eventually trying McClellin at MLB especially now that Wootton has shown the promise we'd hope for when we drafted him.

    I don't care what Lovie or Emery have said about their initial plans for him Shea McClellin is a very athletic football player who has the basic skills it takes to play MLB. He's roughly the same size as Urlacher and he has Urlacher's speed and range. He also has more of a LB's body than that of a DE and we've known that from that start.

    There was a reason they drafted that kid over others who were more prototypical DE prospects and his flexibility as far as how they can use him was a big reason for it. Emery joyfully told Marinelli that he got him his "Monster of the Midway" when they drafted him. Well look at him. Does Shea McClellin look like a "monster"? No, he looks like a big strong farm kid with natural strength, not weight room strength, and superior movement and athletic skills he probably got from chasing down hogs and chickens.

    The kid is a pure football player and he has a tremendous attitude and aptitude for learning. If they need him to play MLB after Urlacher hangs it up he'll play MLB so we may already have our guy on the team. We just don't know it yet and he probably doesn't either.
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