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    Will The Real Cutler Please Stand Up

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    When Will Jay Cutler Be Cured of Having to Be Jay Cutler?
    We'll keep relabeling the embattled Chicago quarterback until he has a Super Bowl on his résumé
    By Bill Barnwell on September 14, 2012

    The dominant narrative surrounding Jay Cutler — to an extent unmatched by any player in the NFL — is that he needs to be fixed. That Jay Cutler is a few small changes away from being the quarterback we want him to be. That there are flaws so patently obvious and easy to fix that one new offensive coordinator or receiver or city will do it. Imagine if there were a Jay Cutler who didn't throw four picks in one game! Or one who didn't yell at his teammates when they screwed up! Or one who didn't walk around with that smug look on his face all the time! We lash out at Jay Cutler after his bad games like we're fighting with our significant others. If Jay Cutler would just put the dishes in the dishwasher instead of leaving them in the sink, we'd all have gone to the Super Bowl a long time ago.

    Let's turn this question on ourselves, though, because it's going to tell us a lot about how we judge football players irrationally. Why does Jay Cutler have to get fixed? Why can't he just be a pretty good quarterback who delivers one or two terrible games a year? Isn't that good enough?

    The problem is that we've somehow convinced ourselves that quarterbacks mill around at one level until they have a notably impressive game or season and establish a permanent new level of play, like they were characters in an RPG. That's nonsense, but we've spent the majority of Jay Cutler's career trying to pinpoint the moment in time when he took that big leap forward. We were sure Cutler had emerged as a franchise quarterback when he won that epic 39-38 game over the division rival Chargers in 2008. We were positive Cutler had taken the leap when he pushed a team whose most notable receiver was Devin Hester to an 11-win season and the NFC Championship Game in 2010. And we were definitely 100 percent onboard with the new Jay Cutler who led his team to a five-game winning streak last year just as he suffered a season-ending thumb injury. We keep telling ourselves that we've found the real Cutler, a guy who has eliminated his old faults and won't go back up the pipe to World 1-1.

    The reality is that Cutler has followed up each of those big moments with disappointments, and we've used them as proof that Cutler's really a fraud and that those triumphs weren't actually meaningful after all. That shouldn't be a referendum on Cutler. It should be a referendum on us, the fans who are reading good and bad games as unassailable proof of Cutler's ultimate value as a player when they're really just peaks and valleys. What's true is that those peaks and valleys tend to be more extreme for Cutler than they are for other players, but it's not like Cutler transforms into a different player from one game or season to the next; he's still the same guy. We deride his poor decisions and time spent bumbling around in the pocket when he has games like Thursday night's, but those qualities aren't far removed from the "aggressiveness" and "ability to extend the play" that you hear about Cutler when he's doing well.

    Compare Cutler to Brett Favre, for example, and it tells us a lot about why we get down on Cutler. Like Cutler, Favre was prone to awful games in which he'd toss up a bunch of interceptions, get down on his teammates, and generally look like a disaster. Just like with Cutler, we'd project our images of how Favre looked and acted onto our opinions of how he played. Because Favre was emotional and fiery, we saw him as a team leader. Cutler's aloof stoicism and smugness have become the calling card for his critics, despite the fact that his teammates love him.

    It's more than that, though. We let Favre get away with those bad games because he won a Super Bowl relatively early in his career, at which point he was free to produce all the stinkers he wanted. You wouldn't be surprised to hear that Favre trails only Drew Bledsoe for most four-interception games since 1990. You know who's tied with Favre, though? Tom Brady, another player who won early in his career and gets insulated from the sort of critiques Cutler suffers from when he plays poorly. How viciously would we have excoriated Cutler if he had been the one at the helm of that dismal Patriots loss to the Ravens in the 2009 playoffs? Or the Jets loss in 2010? What if Cutler had been the one who scored 14 points in Super Bowl XLII? Because Brady had already won his Super Bowls and established himself at some higher level of performance, we see those disappointing performances as bad games. If they had been Cutler starts, those would have been career-defining failures.

    The one current player who gets treated similarly to Cutler is Tony Romo, which makes for a juicy juxtaposition. At this very moment, we are celebrating Romo for finally getting over the hump and beating the Giants in a nationally televised game. We are in the middle of debating whether or not this is a new Tony Romo, a guy who has somehow changed (at age 32) into somebody who can handle the pressure of having every set of eyes on him. I promise you: Nothing has changed about Tony Romo. The difference between the "old Romo" and the "new Romo" amounts to the foot by which he missed Miles Austin on last year's would-be game-winning pass against the Giants in Week 14. A few weeks from now, Tony Romo is going to throw an interception at the wrong time and his team is going to lose. At that same time, it's entirely possible that Jay Cutler will be in the middle of a hot streak for his Bears, and we'll be swapping the titles of "healed" and "sick" that are currently bestowed on Romo and Cutler, respectively.

    As fans, we need to let those labels go. Tony Romo is not turning into some drastically different player at 32, nor should he; he's a very good quarterback. Jay Cutler is not going to stop taking risks and holding on to the ball after 2,500 NFL passes, nor should he; he's also a very good NFL quarterback. There is not going to be a game or a season that satisfies any of us that Jay Cutler is fixed until he finishes that event by hoisting the Lombardi Trophy over his head. And if he does that, he's still going to be the same erratic, aggressive Jay Cutler that he is today. Favre was Favre. Brady is Brady. Let's accept that Cutler is going to be Cutler.
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    Let's turn this question on ourselves, though, because it's going to tell us a lot about how we judge football players irrationally.

    Why does Jay Cutler have to get fixed?

    Why can't he just be a pretty good quarterback who delivers one or two terrible games a year? Isn't that good enough?

    That is a great point.

    The problem really isn't Jay Cutler. It's us fans expecting him to be a Brady, Rodgers or Mannning. Jay is always going to be Jay. A pretty good QB, most of the time. His problem has never been his arm. His arm is as good, or better, than those QB's.

    What we see now, is what we will have in Jay Cutler for his entire time as a Chicago Bear. He doesn't have to be a "leader" or "Saint Jay" or a brilliant field general. He is a good QB with a great arm. Who will be "Bad Jay" in some games and can turn into his version of "Bad Rex" in any given game. But thankfully, this is only a few games a year.

    It's not the WR's being the problem now.

    It's not the oline being the problem now.

    It's not the play calling being the problem now.

    It's not the offensive coordinator being the problem now.

    It's certainly not the defense or special teams being a problem now.

    Jay Cutler has everything he needs, to be the "best that he can be" in Chicago. Yes, like all of the other QB's in the NFL, he doesn't have it perfect here. But he does have it better than most QB's in the NFL right now.

    He's on one hell of a solid team.

    Let's just sit back and accept Jay for who he is. Jay.
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    b/c you don't get up 2 1sts, and a 3rd and a decent player for an "okay" qb. We could have had that in the draft and not given up the picks and the player.

    when you put that much of an investment out there, you have the right to expect an elite qb; and he hasn't been one.

    and I'm sorry I feel like he's, since he's been here, been good for more then 2-3 stinkers a year(although I could be wrong).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    b/c you don't get up 2 1sts, and a 3rd and a decent player for an "okay" qb. We could have had that in the draft and not given up the picks and the player.

    when you put that much of an investment out there, you have the right to expect an elite qb; and he hasn't been one.

    and I'm sorry I feel like he's, since he's been here, been good for more then 2-3 stinkers a year(although I could be wrong).
    I figure we can't change what we gave to acquire Jay Cutler. It's water over the dam. I do believe that if we can continue to surround him with one of the best teams in the NFL (defense, special teams, one of the best RB's in the NFL, some of the best WR's, decent oline, etc) then he will be "pretty good"......but never elite.

    But he doesn't have to be elite, for us to win a Super Bowl. He is good enough to get us to the promised land.

    That's all I care about. I just want to see us win.
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    Every QB is going to have bad games. Tom Brady threw four picks against the Bills last year. That doesn't make him terrible, it means he had a bad game. What is more important is to see the body of work.

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    I think he has what it takes to be elite. Look at Brady being 3-3 and hasn't won a Super Bowl in how long? You get pressure on ANY QB from Rodgers to Grossman and they WILL make mistakes. I don't understand all the hate for Cutler. You give the guy an average OL and another year in the same system and I think he can be elite. He wins a Super Bowl or two and everyone will be saying how great he is. Give Cutler the time I've seen Brady receive in the past and he'll pick apart a defense like he's playing high schoolers. It's a team sport and if the right pieces are in place I think Cutler can be as good as anyone. Sure maybe he's not Brady or Manning (Peyton) but I"ll take him over the rest of em. Given the same exact weapons and protection as everyone else I think Cutler would stand favorably against his peers.

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    In a few years, he has become the second-best Bears QB. EVER. That alone makes him elite - maybe not in NFL history, but certainly in Chicago history. When he retires, if he stays a Bear, he will likely beat out Sid for the #1 all-time spot. As a Chicago fan, that's good enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    b/c you don't get up 2 1sts, and a 3rd and a decent player for an "okay" qb. We could have had that in the draft and not given up the picks and the player.

    when you put that much of an investment out there, you have the right to expect an elite qb; and he hasn't been one.

    and I'm sorry I feel like he's, since he's been here, been good for more then 2-3 stinkers a year(although I could be wrong).
    We could have had what in the draft? What would give you the belief that with 2 first round picks and a third round pick that we could have drafted a top-15 quarterback?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99 View Post
    I figure we can't change what we gave to acquire Jay Cutler. It's water over the dam. I do believe that if we can continue to surround him with one of the best teams in the NFL (defense, special teams, one of the best RB's in the NFL, some of the best WR's, decent oline, etc) then he will be "pretty good"......but never elite.

    But he doesn't have to be elite, for us to win a Super Bowl. He is good enough to get us to the promised land.

    That's all I care about. I just want to see us win.

    But that's not he point JABF, he was billed as elite and that was the justification for giving so much to get him. Then when he wasn't showing elite it was well we need things around him but don't have the picks. Well you gave up the picks to get him b/c he was going to make the team around him better. Remeber JA's "it starts w/the QB" comment. The fan base was given an expectation, and bought into it.
    Now your asking them to just lower it, forget the lost picks and not be upset b/c well we have a really good qb that needs talent around him. Well guess what, that's what the fan base had been saying for years before Cutty got here, was that the previous qb's didn't have any talent around them.

    Reality is what it is, Cutler is not what he was billed as, but still been better then what we've seen from Chicago QB's. But I've never been a propoenent of comparing the current Bears QB to past Bears QB's b/c that's a short mearsuring stick. What's upsetting about cutler is he's had more talent around him then the previous qb's(Orton had a horrid OL also btw) but has not fared exponentailly better considering the teams talent around him.

    Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't jettison him from the team, but I understand why the fanbase is upset that he hasn't fared better; and btw I think he's good for more then 1-2 stinkers a year.

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