Thread: The hit on Cutler: clean or dirty? Agree with Marshall or Peppers?

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Odd, because Julius Peppers, Dan Hampton, Lovie Smith AND Jay Cutler defended Suh. All said it was a good, clean, hard hit.

And no, I don't think he wanted Cutler injured. If he had, he would not have gone to Cutler after the play to see if he were alright. If he wanted Cutler injured, he had a golden opportunity a few plays later when his momentum would have allowed him to destroy Cutler without a flag but he did not take it.

His rep has surpassed him, but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Benji you're too naive. Even when posters with experience recognizing wrestling and martial arts moves point them out you still want to cling to your position that there was nothing wrong with the hit.

Well there was something wrong with it but it wasn't against the rules is all. I think that's what the others are responding to as well. If a player doesn't violate the rules what are they gonna say? That he did? Come one man you can figure out for yourself why Lovie, Pep, Cutler and "Danimal" would say that in public but I'll bet you today the NFL is reviewing it anyway.

Marshall had it right. It was a cheap shot and not a pro play. Just like a leg whip or a cut block. Those were legal too at one time. If you want to sack a QB you go for wrapping up his arms so he can't throw the ball when you have him in the grasp but that's not what he did. He intentionally left Cutler's right arm free and put his arm across his neck with intent of driving his shoulder into the ground. He's obviously been taught how to do it and still stay just on the right side of the rules.

His going to see if Cutler was alright had nothing to do with his intent when he made the sack. He was trying to drive his throwing shoulder into the ground and land on it with his weight. It was borderline but still within the rules and if you don't think that he's been practicing a way to do just that without getting flagged then you really are a Boy Scout.

This is Suh we're talking about and he's not a Boy Scout.

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Odd, because Julius Peppers, Dan Hampton, Lovie Smith AND Jay Cutler defended Suh. All said it was a good, clean, hard hit.

I'm not sure what you were expecting those guys to say. Of course they aren't going to cry foul. It wouldn't do any good. The point is Suh is a dick. Good DL. Major dick though.

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Peppers saying so is interesting. Because if he endorses the hit, chances are, given the chance, he would make the same hit.

Nah, Peppers has much better technique. Not sure if he even knows any wrestling moves either.

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

I am sorry, but I still call bullshit. If he wanted to injure Cutler he had a golden opportunity to do so later and did not take it.

I, and many others, see that there was nothing wrong with the hit at all. If Cutler had not landed on the ball we would not even be talking about this right now because he would not have even gotten bruised ribs.

Because then it would have been very obvious, he'd have gotten flagged, tossed out of the game, fined afterward and almost certainly suspended possibly for the rest of the year! He's on Goodell's "Double Secret Probation List" as it is!!!!

There is that emphatic enough for you? If I shoot your ass in front of everyone else on this board then I'm gonna spend the rest of my life trying to avoid becoming Bubba's soulmate.

But if I stick a knife between your ribs when there's a crowd around, walk away to dispose of the knife then come back to check on you does that make me any less guilty of trying to hurt you?

Jeezus Benji this is Ndamakong Suh were talking about here. This kid has had a rep as dirty player his entire career including in college! This isn't Pep or Urlacher or Hampton or Strahan or anyone of a few dozen other defensive players we're talking about with enough talent NOT to play like that.

This guy is a "bad seed" and he's always been a bad seed. Leopards don't change their spots when they're built like he is. He's another mental midget and he proves it every day in his private life. In his world the rules that everyone else follows don't apply to him. He's a fvckin' sociopath in a football helmet and pads. If he can hit and run with his vehicle not once but numerous times and not even stop to check it out what makes you think there's anything about him that's normal? The last time he did he physically threatened the guy he hit when he followed him to the Lions practice facility!

You can defend him all you like but you're gonna be in a small minority as far as anyone thinking that his only intent on that sack was to make a clean hit on Cutler and take him down. If you can't see that from looking at the replays there's nothing more I can point out to you that's gonna change your mind.

Maybe you should start thinking with your eyes rather than your ears. Stop listening to what others say and using that as the basis for your logic. It's exactly the same as all the "sheep" who want to follow the sportswriters leads about Cutler being a "quitter" and not tough or a very good leader.

I guess we put those arguments to rest last night too didn't we?

I heard Pep joking at the post game that the difference is he helps the guy up, takes the dirt out of his facemask and props 'em up so he can do it again.