Thread: Charles Tillman

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...ans-highlights


i'm posting this here, but it's the first highlight that really gives Peanut his credit


from a biggs tweet:

http://sulia.com/channel/chicago-bea...-e80511fe3bca/
Dan Pompei
about 7 hours ago


Little known fact: Bears are going to have an interesting decision to make in the offseason on Charles Tillman.Why?
Tillman has one year left on his contract after this season. He is scheduled to earn $8 million in 2013, which would make him the fourth highest-paid player on the team as of now.
When the Bears signed him to a six-year contract in 2007, they never intended to pay a 32-year-old cornerback in a zone scheme $8 million in the last year of his contract. The last season was added as an incentive either to restructure his deal or cut him. But now Tillman is playing like an $8 million corner. Whether or not he can continue to play like that next year is the question general manager Phil Emery will have to ask himself. Bear Essentials



I cannot imagine how this team could let Tillman go now, or ask him to take less. Going to be very interesting for Peanut this offseason.

So I'm watching the night game on NBC & every time a WR makes a catch & a CB drags him down I can't help but think Tillman knocks the ball out on that play & makes the tackle.

don't want to sound arrogant, but right now he is on pace to become the MVP of this season... not only DPOY. Let's see what he can do the next 2 weeks against 2 contending teams

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/footb...l-history.html

JENSEN: Tillman making an elite place for himself in NFL history

BY SEAN JENSEN sjensen@suntimes.com

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Bears coach Lovie Smith and defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli preach to defensive players not to set limits, always strive to force a turnover and score.
But amid the elation in the visitors’ locker room at LP Field on Sunday, Bears players marveled at the play of one teammate in particular: Charles Tillman.
The Bears veteran cornerback forced an astounding four fumbles against the Tennessee Titans, giving him a league-high seven for the season.
Julius Peppers: “It’s impressive, man. Never seen anything like it before… It’s one of the best seasons I’ve ever seen.”
Brandon Marshall: “It’s special to watch… I can’t really explain it.”
Bears seven-time Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs said Tillman should be the NFL’s Defensive MVP.
“I think we are all seeing history being made,” he said.
But that’s the thing about Tillman: where does he fit historically?
He’s clearly the best cornerback in team history, but he’s never mentioned among the elite at his position. Look no further than the Pro Bowl, which he’s appeared just once after his standout 2011 season.
Champ Bailey of the Denver Broncos, Darrelle Revis of the New York Jets, Charles Woodson of the Green Bay Packers and Nnamdi Asomugha of the Philadelphia Eagles are often named the cream of the cornerback crop.
Tillman is often knocked for being a “cover-2” corner, a role less reliant on one-on-one coverage and more emphatic on tackling and re-directing. And even in that category, Ronde Barber of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is considered No. 1.
Not that Tillman cares.
“I’m confident in my technique, my team, my talent,” Tillman said last week. “I think when it’s all said and done, you can put my stats with other corners in the league, and I think it’ll hold true.
“I can be in the same sentence.”
But one of the architects of the Bears scheme insisted that Tillman could thrive in any defense, although he’s ideally suited to play for Smith.
“[Tillman] isn’t a blazer, a 4.3 guy [in the 40-yard dash],” said Tony Dungy, who hired Smith in Tampa and helped the Indianapolis Colts beat the Bears in Super Bowl XLI. “He’s not the guy who looks fluid and all that. But he can come up and make tackles on third and one, strip the ball from people, and make plays down the field.
“To me, he’s the perfect corner.”
Woodson, an eight-time Pro Bowl selection and the Defensive Player of the Year in 2009, is regarded for his 55 interceptions and 11 return touchdowns. Bailey has a cornerback record with 11 Pro Bowl selections with his share of gaudy stats, and Barber is a skilled blitzer with 28 sacks.
But Tillman blows away other defensive backs – even linebackers – with his forced fumbles.
The statistic hasn’t been tracked forever. But since 2003, Tillman is second in the NFL with 36, passing Peppers and Dwight Freeney of the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday.
“Most of mine come from the blind side of the quarterback,” Peppers said. “He does it while the guy is looking at him and trying to run him over. He does it in a different way so it makes it a little more impressive.”
Titans pass catchers were warned about Tillman yet apparently didn’t heed. On the first play from scrimmage, Tillman punched the ball away from receiver Kenny Britt at the end of a 23-yard catch.
“He can sure get the ball out,” Britt said. “That’s something we knew coming into the game and that’s something we should have had focus on when we were out there.”
One thing would clinch it for Tillman, according to Dungy.
“The only thing missing for Tillman,” Dungy said, “is the Super Bowl [ring].”
Tillman has a puncher’s chance.
HOW PEANUT MATCHES UP
A comparsion of Bears cornerback Charles Tillman with other notible corners of this era.

name	GM	Tckl	Sk	Pss Def	Int/Yrd	TDs	FF
CHARLES TILLMAN	137	755	3	101	32/ 596	7	32
Charles Woodson	206	719	17	119	55/ 896	11	24
Ronde Barber	232	952	28	134	46/ 895	8	13
Darrelle Revis	79	294	1	98	19/ 364	3	3
Nnamdi Asomugha	145	373	2	66	15/ 79	1	2
Champ Bailey	201	730	3	134	50/446	4	7
Antoine Winfield	183	931	8	84	26/228	2	14
All stats heading into Sunday, Nov. 4

So lets break down these numbers some. Asomugha is the only one that have similar games played so lets start there. Takles, Tillman nearly doubles him, tilman one more sack, almost 40 more passes Defended, more then double the int's and and 30...that's right 30 more frfs, and 7 more TD's. Again that's really the only one w/the same # of games played only real fair comparrison, but lets look at how he ranks w/guys w/well more games then himself. More tackles then Woodson, 200 less then Barber(in 100 less games) and 25 more then Champ. Atoine has a lot more talkes, in only 50 more games. Woodson and Barber are clearly better at sacks, but Tillman is never asked to rush so that's an unfair comparison, he's right up there w/the rest of them though. And only Woodson has more TO's, but he's had 70 more games to do it, and it's not a huge difference, merely 10.

I'll try and do the averages later, which is a far better comparision when dealing w/huge varying games played differences.

So here are the averages:

name	avg tckl	avg sac	avg pass def	avg int	avg yrd int	avg td	avg ff	avg TO
CHARLES TILLMAN	5.51	0.02	0.74	0.23	4.35	0.05	0.23	0.47
Charles Woodson	3.49	0.08	0.58	0.27	4.35	0.05	0.12	0.38
Ronde Barber	4.10	0.12	0.58	0.20	3.86	0.03	0.06	0.25
Darrelle Revis	3.72	0.01	1.24	0.24	4.61	0.04	0.04	0.28
Nnamdi Asomugha	2.57	0.01	0.46	0.10	0.54	0.01	0.01	0.12
Champ Bailey	3.63	0.01	0.67	0.25	2.22	0.02	0.03	0.28
Antoine Winfield	5.09	0.04	0.46	0.14	1.25	0.01	0.08	0.22
All stats heading into Sunday, Nov. 4

So tillman is far an away the best tackler, other then Antoine Winfield, he's about average for a cover DB, he's 2nd in passes defended, 4th in int's, tied for 2nd in int retrun yards, tied for 1st in td's, 1st in FF's, and 1st in overall TO's.

Here's how he stacks up to a couple HOF/near HOF'rs

name	GM	Tckl	Sk	Pss Def	Int	Yrd	TDs	FF
CHARLES TILLMAN	137	755	3	101	32	596	7	32
Deon Sanders	188	n/a	1	5	53	1331	9	13
Brian Dawkins	224	778	26	98	37	513	2	28
tackles not recorded before 2001
name	avg tckl	avg sac	avg pass def	avg int	avg yrd int	avg td	avg ff	avg TO
CHARLES TILLMAN	5.51	0.02	0.74	0.23	4.35	0.05	0.23	0.47
Deon Sanders	n/a	0.01	0.03	0.28	7.08	0.05	0.07	0.35
Brian Dawkins	3.47	0.12	0.44	0.17	2.29	0.01	0.13	0.29

Deon only got 2 of his years of tackles counted b/c they didn't track them until 2001, and to be fair Dawkins misses a few also. Again you see that Tillman is better at tackles, average at sacks for a cover corner(not asked to blitz) tops in td's, ff's, and TO's.