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    Quote Originally Posted by gramster10 View Post
    Jay summed it up we went to quicker routes so why wait till da fourth quarter to adjust to what works//man when you fail you can change what you are doing//like mental note the 49er's wont cave in the fourth quarter so start playing smarter//geez give the defense a rest already you need ten yards to advance stop the huge drops and be productive with your three downs//you get three plus a down you stay on the field the other team gets on their heals and guess what those big plays are there

    I think you summed it up pretty well here brother. Not only should we be running more but when we pass early it should be short quick throws off 3 step drops just to pick up yardage and get a rhythm going.

    Five to eight yard passes is all it takes not to be faced with a 3rd and long right out of the chute. Not only is Tice passing too much but it's the wrong type of passes being called. They need to be short quick throws not down field passes off 5-7 step drops.

    If we start doing that the first thing it does is frustrate the all out pass rush teams are putting on. They know that somewhere in that first series Tice is gonna test them down field and to me it looks like they know when it's coming and they just lay their ear back and power rush as many as they can. Bam.....sack!

    The second thing that a couple for quick 5-8 yard slants do is set up second or third and short plays that provide us with more options as far as a play call on those downs. How hard is to figure out what Cutler is gonna do on a third and long. You could overplay Marshall on that down and distance every time and be right 90% of the time.

    The third thing it accomplishes is that it sets the CB up for a double move and the potential of hitting the deep ball behind him if he bites too hard trying to stop that slant. Besides how many 190lb CBs are gonna be able to stop that quick slant to Marshall one on one anyway? To stop it they'll need to drop a LB off into that passing lane to take it away and once they do that you start running Forte or Bush off tackle right behind Rachal and Webb. Either way you're gonna pick up decent yardage 9 times out of 10.

    It seems to me that early in the game Tice's play calls are too predictable. It's like he's scripted plays and he sticks with those plays regardless of the outcome. Bill Walsh used to do that with tremendous success but Tice isn't Bill Walsh and this isn't the '80s 49'ers he's coaching. Teams come out with defenses prepared to stop what they think he's gonna run and they're right more often than not and we get stopped.

    Like I keep saying something has to change. With our defense we need to be playing with a lead not playing catchup ball in the last half of the game.
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    I would say that...

    3 sacks were on failed execution in blocking
    2 sacks were due to good coverage by the Panthers
    1 sack was on Cutler not throwing the ball at the ground (near Forte) on the failed screen

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    Chicago Bears This article is garbage, the opposite is true.


    I don’t care what Dan Pompeii says, everything that happened in the film as far as I can tell points to the O-line being at fault for the offense's killed drives.
    I watched the film for this game particularly because it was so much better in the 4th quarter than the earlier drives and I was intrigued. I watched every snap offensively up until the 4th quarter (where things got good, so I don't care much about what happened).

    First off, Cutler is good - real good, as in he made 1 mistake that game good - for the most part he checked down to the right play and there wasn't a snap where he didn't go to the right guy according to what the defense showed him. Unequivocally, the O-line was at fault for killing drives with mistakes on key plays such as our center tripping over himself, the right guard getting pushed back 6 yards into Cutler’s face, our Left guard blocking the wrong man in a zone left play, our Center having a false start penalty, and our right guard completely whiffing on a run block. That’s just off the top of my head.
    As for just how asinine Pompeii’s analysis is, all you have to do is see for yourself on that sack where Cutler seemed to have stayed in the pocket too long (he says 4.5 seconds?). Okay, the defense was in a cover 3 rushing 4, Cutler read the coverage almost instantly as the ball is snapped, he looks straight at a wide open receiver (think it might’ve been our tightend Spaeth) – the only man open on that play. This tells me Cutler read the coverage and knew the open guy instantly, who stood by himself 7 yards down the field along the right sideline. One problem, the right guard – Lance Louis - is pushed into Cutler’s face, and Cutler has no room to deliver this football. Cutler then tries to run outside the pocket because he knows if he can escape, that tightend is still open (there was no flat coverage on this particular play, they had two underneat receivers to one defender on that side of the field, that option would be there if he could only escape the pocket), before he can, he is sacked by pressure from the opposite side.
    You want to say Cutler should’ve thrown it away instead of trying to get a first down on second and 10? Maybe, but it is also understandable that he would try to escape the pocket to try to complete the pass for a first down because the receiver was completely uncovered. I want my quarterback trying to make the play here, its what makes good QB's great, but make no mistake, that play became a broken play the minute that lance Louis was pushed into Cutler's right arm and he had to pull the ball down before what you can clearly see is the start of his throwing motion towards the wide open receiver.
    And, Lance Louis grading out #2? Lance Louis killed two drives by getting beat on critical plays and they helped him with the center every single snap after half-time.
    Everyone can believe what they want, afterall, I’m just some random Bears fan on a messageboard. But from what I saw, I can tell you right now, our O-line is our weakest link, specifically, our RIGHT GUARD is our weakest link. On a high note, Webb is improving and Rachal is freaking good. And as for Cutler, he made the right read almost every play all game except for the interception throw, where he knew not to throw it but did it anyway. Probably his biggest knock, 90% of the time he's throwing into traffic intentionally, not because he didn't see a guy. If I had to grade out our O-line from that game it would be #1.) Rachal #2.) Webb #3.) Carimi #4.) Garza #5.) Louis
    Last edited by willynowei; 10-31-2012 at 12:13 AM.

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