Thread: Bears linemen responsible for only 2 of 6 sacks allowed Sunday

They can play "it's the qb's fault with the sacks" and that's fine, Jay is known for that lately it seems. But when I see guys getting owned one-on-one out there it's a bit much. Guys getting knocked on their cans, getting single moved, bull rushed and just beat off the snap then there is a problem. THEY PLAYED HORRIBLE.

Originally Posted by short faced bear

They can play "it's the qb's fault with the sacks" and that's fine, Jay is known for that lately it seems. But when I see guys getting owned one-on-one out there it's a bit much. Guys getting knocked on their cans, getting single moved, bull rushed and just beat off the snap then there is a problem. THEY PLAYED HORRIBLE.

Carimi is getting owned and bull rushed at times. Louis (who's had a solid season for the most part) did look bad a few times. Webb and Rachal looked pretty solid to me most of the day. If either of them got bull rushed yesterday, then I missed it (and I just finished watching the game again a few minutes ago (also, watched it yesterday evening on DVR after watching the game live at Soldier Field).

I get it that folks are madder than hell over the butt-ugly game yesterday. I'm not disputing that the game was ugly. But the oline looked decent most of the day to me - and the run blocking is looking pretty good too. Yes, there were a handful of really bad plays by offensive linemen.

Originally Posted by bearsinhouston

yeah, I'm not buying it all either. From a technical perspective, you might say two out of six are linemen but the QB is being harrassed all the time and that affects him. Now where I think it is Cutlers fault is that he seems to be affected more than most. Having said that though, I think that is a recent phenomenon with him. He used to stand tall in the pocket. After seeing Grossman and now Cutler evolving into a more skittish play, I am convinced that this can permanently change a QBs play.

If I were a GM, I would make sure that my Ol was solid BEFORE bringing in s stud QB or that QB may get de-studded.

Yes I think Jay is skittish and it's disrupting his mechanics. As Mo would say "he's been getting David Carr'ed" out there. Is every game vs an inferior team going to give a blow-by blow excuse for each and every sack? ? LMFAO.

Ok, so the run-blocking was good-it was good last year too and we still had piss-poor pass pro out there AND the lowest rated LT. It's like saying to a boxer that he's got a great uppercut, too bad he can't ever set it up and USE it because he can't slip a jab!

I can see a bad game but out of 5 linemen ONE should have at least been average. It resides in the play-calling, available talent and using too much pixie dust.

Oh and if they handle the Titans THEY SHOULD. It's not "oh look see they are getting better again". They show me something vs the Texans or Niners and I'll be the first to say they are truly improving.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

This is pretty much what I saw, or thought I saw yesterday.

OK fair enough so which two are on the line? I'm unclear on that. FWIW here's my take on it.

#1 - Definitely one on the line. In his role as a TE Spaeth is primarily a third OT. Getting is feet tangled doesn't let him off the hook.

#2 - Yes I'd agree. That's one on Cutler for holding the ball too long. So now maybe we can get him another receiver who can get open and catch so that in the event that Marshall is covered he may have another option. Bennett might be nice. Yes I like that idea. Let's start Bennett next week then he'll have at least two decent choices.

#3 - Yes, Cutler needs to throw the ball away in that situation but when Carimi knocks a guy down it might be nice if he didn't also end up on his ass. If he stays on or gets to his feet Hardy never gets a second chance. So 1/2 each.

#4 - Same as #3, 1/2 each.

#5 - That's on Rachal.

#6 - That's on Carimi.

So let's tally them up. 1 on Spaeth, 1 1/2 on Carimi, 1 on Rachal, 1/2 on Webb and 2 on Cutler. So I have it reversed on my card. Two and Cutler and four on the line. Even if I take away the 1/2 on Carimi on the botched screen pass it's still more than just two on the line.

I'm not letting Cutler off the hook either. Not getting rid of the ball on that botched screen pass was pretty inexcusable. He's not a rookie QB and he should know better than that. But for God's sake get the man receivers who can get open and catch. I'm surprise he doesn't have crick in his neck from looking to his left so much.

The line was not good by any means, and Cutler's scrambling wasn't because he was trying to get in better position for a pass. However, I'm tired of blaming the line, (btw, JABF, I thought i saw one that Webb was flat out beat) Tice is the subject of my ire on this problem. Quick passes and running the ball more will ease the pressure on the line, and get them into a flow. Too bad we didn't pick up Schottenheimer in the offseason. He's not doing great with the Rams, but if you see some of the lack of talent he's had to work with (Chad Pennington being the obvious/only exception), you'd be surprised. It's no surprise to me that since he was run out of the Jets, Sanchez has regressed, and Bradford is doing better for STL...

Originally Posted by Henry Burris

The line was not good by any means, and Cutler's scrambling wasn't because he was trying to get in better position for a pass. However, I'm tired of blaming the line, (btw, JABF, I thought i saw one that Webb was flat out beat) Tice is the subject of my ire on this problem. Quick passes and running the ball more will ease the pressure on the line, and get them into a flow. Too bad we didn't pick up Schottenheimer in the offseason. He's not doing great with the Rams, but if you see some of the lack of talent he's had to work with (Chad Pennington being the obvious/only exception), you'd be surprised. It's no surprise to me that since he was run out of the Jets, Sanchez has regressed, and Bradford is doing better for STL...

Webb was flat out beat. I saw it that way too.

And I agree that this is not a good oline. I'm just hoping it's "good enough" this season, and it gets fixed in the off-season.

I really think it is. It's just a matter of fact we're likely to give up a sack or two a game (which is not bad by any means) naturally. With Cutler holding onto the ball too long, which I suspect is from Hester and a few others not getting good seperation and being predictable on offense, that the line is overloaded by the blitz. To add to the holding onto the ball too long thing, I suspect our routes are taking a little too long to develop. If you look at it, Rodgers, Big Ben and Tom Brady have worse offensive lines, and I think they make it work by doing exactly what Tice should be doing. Other than QB play, none of those teams have as much/more talent than the Bears, so I'm no longer buying into "well the line is what's holding us back" logic. BTW, why can't we ever try a draw? That might work wonders because of what other teams expect of us.