Hell no i'm not over qualified for anything. I can't wait to be some lazy old f%# sitting around for $8 an hour as a starter, free golf? I'm in!
Originally Posted by soulman
My day-job of choice would be Bears GM, I'd fire Tice and quit.
You could criticize how much my firm bills me out for, but that has nothing to do with how much I'm getting. Funny thing is I'm billing myself out right now and I'm dicking around on forums, attorneys are scumbags I know. I do good work for people though, and a lot of free work too.
I've got a bachelors in accounting so I know exactly what you're talking about soul, I just don't agree. You think it'll be easy to replace Urlacher? I don't, no plug in for that guy. Tax law very regularly does not have anything to do with reality, a lot of times it has more to do with efficiency of collection or trying to treat everyone of a certain category the same, or giving people a tax break :) Can't waste time arguing how each contract should be depreciated, give each contract the same tax treatment and move on. They aren't trying to give out an accurate portrayal of financial statements to shareholders (accrual/G.A.A.P/I.F.R.S.), rather they are on a (modified accrual or) cash/tax basis. So trying to use tax guidance as your premise will have you chasing your tail pretty quickly. If they were using accrual you may have a point, since the point is to provide the most accurate picture possible, but they're not. Look at how the tax codes treat capital assets, double declining balance depreciation? All these ways to write off depreciation that don't have anything to do with reality and are just trying to give you a tax break? A lot of times things are fully depreciated on a tax basis a few years into their useful life, thats why there are so many book to tax differences.
I did get injured in college, everyone did. But it got me a free ride to school so I did it. I knew the risk and I didn't give a shit, just like NFL players. I chose a profession that has a very low chance of injury, unlike NFL players. Got to be some personal responsibility there. This is all speaking as a fan of course. That being said, former players do have a good case and I think they'll probably win at least a settlement (of which the lawyers will get all the money). The league has basically already admitted guilt with the rule changes they've instituted. I would be pretty easy to prove they knew certain things were hazardous, everyone knew lol. It's just like smoking.
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I think the biggest thing we are getting caught up on is this sense of "owing." I played football until I was 22 and it did a lot of great things for me. It made me friends in high school, it got me into a way better college than I ever should have gone to (and for very little money), and it taught me a lot of qualitative things like perseverance, discipline, and teamwork. Football doesn't owe me anything. It doesn't owe anything to professional players and coaches either.
Everyone who ever strapped it up knew/knows the risk of running into another grown man at full speed, repeatedly. Just like every cop, fireman, and military person who ever signed on knew/knows that they could one day be put in a situation where they were/are in a lot (often times mortal) of danger. Let me take this opportunity to thank those of you on this board who are/where public servants. I know there are a lot of you on here that are retired or active duty. But lets not turn this into a military discussion, I'm only making a small comparison.
No one has ever been forced to play football professionally and just because they didn't make plans or prepare themselves for life after football or they feel like they got screwed doesn't mean I'm good with them coming around and suing the NFL now. I don't like how the calls are effecting the game and that Conte call is a prime example in my mind.
Some of these guys did make plans and some of them didn't. I wish I could find the comments I heard from Jimmy Mac, it was a bunch of entitlement bullshit and is basically the reason for this rant. It was something along the lines of -- I'm not saying that we are all doing it for the money, but yea we didn't make the money these guys make today, so yea... its basically for the money -- not an exact quote but something close to it.
So you have a problem with owners getting tax breaks for paying their employees? I'm not sure that I really care about that so much. Players get insurance and pensions as compensation too. They also get everything I got from football and more. I'd say thats plenty, I know it was for me. Rookie league minimum is almost $500,000 now. It would take me a long time to make that much money. Even if they only play for 1 or 2 years thats enough for me to live on for a long time. Plenty of time to figure out something else to do, you've always got to have a plan "B" in life. It comes out the same as alimony really, one person pays and gets the write-off, another person receives and gets the income. I think it would be kind of silly for a business owner to pay income taxes on the employees income, don't you?
I know they aren't going to take the league down, what I'm worried about is the 15 yard penalty my team gets because of some bullshit call, I think its nonsense. Like I said in the beginning "don't get me wrong, I'm not crying for Jerry Jones," its not about their money, I could really give a shit. Owning an NFL team is pretty much a "led-pipe lock" because of the shared revenue system. You'd have to be a complete asshole to go broke. Was the Conte hit helmet to helmet? Sure it was, do I care? No, it was a glancing blow at best and didn't have any effect on the game.
Oh by the way, being a big guy myself, let me tell you guys something --> yes we can stop if we want to, our momentum doesn't carry us 3 steps into a guy (unless we get pushed from behind like Izzy did), most of the time you could stop or not hit the guy if you really wanted to. But who the hell would do that? I mean really, the whole point is to show the QB how close you were, let him know you are right there and you will plaster his butt to the ground. You think a guy as athletic as Pepp can't stop? You would be wrong sir, he just wants to send a message and at the same time doesn't want to spend the energy to get out of the way. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Soul I'm sorry to hear about your troubles brother, I don't know what thats like personally so I don't really know what to say. But keep fighting. I'm rooting for ya bud!
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I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
Originally Posted by soulman
Lol you F*&$er! a "one car parade," I'm using that one, stealing it shamelessly. Yup, no doubt its about the money, they have a gold mine going here and they don't want to f$#^ it up. You and I both know they could give a crap about player safety.
I want to talk about the replacement refs for a second. Was that not the stupidest thing in the world? How could they let something so stupid get in the way of selling us a product? Its like buying a car from a car salesman and the salesman lets it come down to whether or not he throws in the floor mats for free. He says no and you walk away! He just lost a sale over 100 dollar floor matts. I'm not shitting you this happened to me when i bought my first car. Can you believe that? The ref thing was the same deal. How can you let this bullshit get in the way? Everyone is making so much god damn money here and the fans don't even give a shit that you are running away with their money.
"JUST GIMME DA CANDY DAD I DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT IT COSTS!"
"no son, you cant have the candy, how about this nice rice cake instead?"
"ITS HALLOWEEN DAD WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU OLD MAN GIMME DA CANDY!"
(ok i tried to throw a halloween twist in there. you know what I'm getting at here. Give us the candy, fuck the refs, pay 'em)
In the words if the immortal John Malkovic: "Pay this man his money... PAY HIM."