Thread: Trade Deadline this Thursday

Originally Posted by Anytime23

You do what makes you comfortable and you do what you feel gives you the best chance to win. Kellen Davis and Matt Speath dont inspire confidence. Mike Tice isnt Mike Martz. He likes TEs. Used to be one and recently said he needs to get them more involved. 3 years ago Brady didnt throw anywhere near any many passes to TEs. Its all about trust and talent.

And im not sure how much of a factor a new TE would be mid-way through the season but maybe this guy becomes a factor 6 weeks down the line. He doesnt need to walk in and take the starting job. Get him now and he's a hell of alot closer to knowing the system than any FA TE signed months from now and more proven than any rookie.

Yep. Plus you inject some mid-season competition as well. Might wake our existing TE's up a bit.

some trade rumors?

Originally Posted by Anytime23

You do what makes you comfortable and you do what you feel gives you the best chance to win. Kellen Davis and Matt Speath dont inspire confidence. Mike Tice isnt Mike Martz. He likes TEs. Used to be one and recently said he needs to get them more involved. 3 years ago Brady didnt throw anywhere near any many passes to TEs. Its all about trust and talent.

And im not sure how much of a factor a new TE would be mid-way through the season but maybe this guy becomes a factor 6 weeks down the line. He doesnt need to walk in and take the starting job. Get him now and he's a hell of alot closer to knowing the system than any FA TE signed months from now and more proven than any rookie.

Well I'll come back at you with this question then. IF we were to trade for a TE which would mean picking his paycheck for the rest of the year who would you get and who would you get rid of?

We don't have a lot of extra cap space to play with and guys like Davis and Spaeth are vested vets so you'd have to pay them anyway even if you released them. There's also $1.3 mil and change in the unamortized portion of Davis signing bonus that would roll up and hit us too.

A trade like that may also eat up cap money that could be used for an extension for Melton or Urlacher later this falls and to me those guys are more important than a seventh TE!

It really not as simple as just trading for a guy like this was FF or Madden. There are financial constraints to deal with as well as spending money on a guy who may do little or no good at all this year.

This isn't like baseball where you can just pick up a starter, relief help or a left handed power hitter for the stretch run. It's more complex than that.

I'll trade Kyle Adams for a 6th rounder or Clutts back.

Originally Posted by soulman
Well I'll come back at you with this question then. IF we were to trade for a TE which would mean picking his paycheck for the rest of the year who would you get and who would you get rid of? The guy we're talking about. Jared Cook. Still on his rookie contract. I would dump Eldridge or Adams. (Yes the last year of a rookie contract so we'd be renting him for 9 games and need to resign him. If you give up a pick for him that has to be considered. Why not just wait until next spring and see if you can get him in FA?)

We don't have a lot of extra cap space to play with and guys like Davis and Spaeth are vested vets so you'd have to pay them anyway even if you released them. There's also $1.3 mil and change in the unamortized portion of Davis signing bonus that would roll up and hit us too. Theyre vested vets who arent very good. If you have to pay the one you release, oh well. Take the cap hit. Maybe you trade one back. Youre looking way too much something thats nothing more than an idea. (Easy for you to say and much tougher for a GM without the cap space to absorb the cap hit. If you think that either Davis or Spaeth isn't very good what makes you think Tennessee won't feel the same? Again, easy for you to say but not exactly realistic trading player for player. I look into most ideas this way. Get used to it)

A trade like that may also eat up cap money that could be used for an extension for Melton or Urlacher later this falls and to me those guys are more important than a seventh TE! Im sure his $615K in 2012 is going to put this team in a tough spot when trying to extend either of those guys. And when you trade for Jared Cook, you dont trade him to be your 7th TE, you sign him to be your #1 or if Lovie sticks with his guy, #2. Again, looking way too much into this. And many Bear fans wont like this but maybe Urlacher doesnt get an extension. He said himself his knee is not going to be 100% again. Who knows how this guy looks at the back end of the season. Phil Emery has no ties to Lach. Could very well go with youth next year. Can i mention that or are you going to ask me about the cap ramifications to that and who we will replace him with? Do i have to say what his jersey# will likely be as well? (It's not just about the $615k but I don't want to bother you with the other details when you're so exhausted. You think you're gonna bring in a guy who has no experience playing in your offense and make him your #1 TE right from the start? The guy doesn't know your system, your terminology, his blocking assignments (oh yeah TEs have to block around here too) and Cutler has no rapport with or trust in the guy yet. It would take weeks before he got all that down and then the season is almost over. No matter how good he might be he won't do us much good this year so wait until he becomes a FA and then maybe take a look at him)


It really not as simple as just trading for a guy like this was FF or Madden. There are financial constraints to deal with as well as spending money on a guy who may do little or no good at all this year. O'rly? I wasnt aware of that. (Don't be an asshole with anyone who can be a bigger asshole than you)

This isn't like baseball where you can just pick up a starter, relief help or a left handed power hitter for the stretch run. It's more complex than that.I dont know a whole lot about baseball but im pretty sure anyone with a brain knows that all sports dont work the same way. (And based on some of your ideas not all that much about the way an NFL football team works either.)

Originally Posted by Anytime23

Are people allowed to talk about trading for players without having to get into every single detail? Its exhausting. You said whats the point of trading for a pass catching TE if we dont already pass to them, i gave a logical response. No need to get into the "i know how everything works" pissing match because thats what that last post looks like.

Then get more sleep and welcome to the way it works everywhere else but in your FF league or your Madden game Anytime. When we make suggestions like trades or FA signings we consider the cap implications and other factors involved.

Or at least I do.

I'm not the one whose starting a pissing match here brother. Based on your smart ass responses that would be you and I'm not the guy you want to do that with. I'll be glad to debate you over it anytime, I enjoy that, but don't start getting all whiny about the fact that I may bring up factors that may make it more difficult in reality than it seems on paper.

You made a post I brought up other potential problems with it that weren't being considered. That's the way it works sometimes. You can respond to them if you like or you can not respond but don't give me this "its exhausting" bullshit. Nobody forced you to address it. That was your decision and if you don't like my responses or the questions I intrigue then don't write back. I won't miss it I promise.

If you understand all of the ramifications then fine but not everyone who posts here does and there are those who do benefit when they're discussed. You're new to the site but that's part of the way we do things around here and if that's not your cup of tea then it's not. I'm not gonna change my approach to posting just to benefit you.

You got a shitty attitude for a newbie Anytime. Starting out life around here with a chip on your shoulder because you didn't care for the way I responded isn't a great way to get into the mix. Especially with smart ass comments like this.

Can i mention that or are you going to ask me about the cap ramifications to that and who we will replace him with? Do i have to say what his jersey# will likely be as well?

If you want to debate with me over this trade thing with all that goes along with it then do it but when you pull this stuff out that has no business in the debate to begin with then you destroy any credibility you have. So just stick with the facts and leave the insults and sarcastic comments for whatever other sites you post on. That shit doesn't work around here and I'm not one of those guys you think you might intimidate with it. My bite is worse than my bark.

Originally Posted by soulman

Originally Posted by soulman
Well I'll come back at you with this question then. IF we were to trade for a TE which would mean picking his paycheck for the rest of the year who would you get and who would you get rid of? The guy we're talking about. Jared Cook. Still on his rookie contract. I would dump Eldridge or Adams. (Yes the last year of a rookie contract so we'd be renting him for 9 games and need to resign him. If you give up a pick for him that has to be considered. Why not just wait until next spring and see if you can get him in FA?) While none of us know what the asking price would have been for him, say its a 5th rounder. You dont think thats worth it to get a good TE for 600K? Show him he's a large part of the offense, make him happy and hope you retain him. Waiting till after 2013 is too long to wait for a TE. Plus no bidding war is involved.

We don't have a lot of extra cap space to play with and guys like Davis and Spaeth are vested vets so you'd have to pay them anyway even if you released them. There's also $1.3 mil and change in the unamortized portion of Davis signing bonus that would roll up and hit us too. Theyre vested vets who arent very good. If you have to pay the one you release, oh well. Take the cap hit. Maybe you trade one back. Youre looking way too much something thats nothing more than an idea. (Easy for you to say and much tougher for a GM without the cap space to absorb the cap hit. If you think that either Davis or Spaeth isn't very good what makes you think Tennessee won't feel the same? Again, easy for you to say but not exactly realistic trading player for player. I look into most ideas this way. Get used to it) Easy for anyone to say a lot of things. Its a message board. Lucky for the Bears, non of us are their GM. Bad players get traded sometimes. It happens. Maybe TEN sees one of our TEs differently than the Bears too.

A trade like that may also eat up cap money that could be used for an extension for Melton or Urlacher later this falls and to me those guys are more important than a seventh TE! Im sure his $615K in 2012 is going to put this team in a tough spot when trying to extend either of those guys. And when you trade for Jared Cook, you dont trade him to be your 7th TE, you sign him to be your #1 or if Lovie sticks with his guy, #2. Again, looking way too much into this. And many Bear fans wont like this but maybe Urlacher doesnt get an extension. He said himself his knee is not going to be 100% again. Who knows how this guy looks at the back end of the season. Phil Emery has no ties to Lach. Could very well go with youth next year. Can i mention that or are you going to ask me about the cap ramifications to that and who we will replace him with? Do i have to say what his jersey# will likely be as well? (It's not just about the $615k Clearly it is if you mentioned it having an affect on signing Melton and Urlacher. but I don't want to bother you with the other details Sounds like you didnt bother to deal with the simple detail of his contract #s. when you're so exhausted. You think you're gonna bring in a guy who has no experience playing in your offense and make him your #1 TE right from the start? No, the plan is to eventually make him your #1. The guy doesn't know your system, your terminology, his blocking assignments (oh yeah TEs have to block around here too) So ive heard. and Cutler has no rapport with or trust in the guy yet. It would take weeks before he got all that down and then the season is almost over. No matter how good he might be he won't do us much good this year so wait until he becomes a FA and then maybe take a look at him)Again, you bring him in now to figure these things out so you can use him down the line. The season is still young but i guess for you, its already too late to bring in talent. 6-1 means theyve played 7 games, which means theres still 9 to go. Not even half a season and you think its almost over. Not to mention the playoffs and like i said earlier, getting a jump on next year. I guess you also wouldnt want to bring in the $500K or so Victor Cruz, Right? Apples and oranges, i know but you get what im saying.

It really not as simple as just trading for a guy like this was FF or Madden. There are financial constraints to deal with as well as spending money on a guy who may do little or no good at all this year. O'rly? I wasnt aware of that. (Don't be an asshole with anyone who can be a bigger asshole than you) Sorry. Didnt know i was supposed to sit here and let you insult my intelligence by stating the obvious.

This isn't like baseball where you can just pick up a starter, relief help or a left handed power hitter for the stretch run. It's more complex than that.I dont know a whole lot about baseball but im pretty sure anyone with a brain knows that all sports dont work the same way. (And based on some of your ideas not all that much about the way an NFL football team works either.) Because you sound so in tune to how the NFL works with statements like "We dont throw the ball to TEs so why should we trade for one?". Sorry if that quote isnt accurate, im too lazy to go back and check it. Youre so smart yet, 7 games in, the season is already over. Based on what youve said, just sound like another pompous internet snob.




Then get more sleep and welcome to the way it works everywhere else but in your FF league or your Madden game Anytime. When we make suggestions like trades or FA signings we consider the cap implications and other factors involved. This is such bs because if thats truly how you felt, your first response to trading for Cook would have been the whole drawn out post about cap implications and such, and not your poorly thought out "We dont throw to TEs" response. Why would you save all of your factors for later? I gave you a logical response and you decided to get on your high horse and insult my intelligence with this madden garbage. Im suggesting(or in this case, was) trading a mid round pick for a cheap cheap TE. Not trading for Antonio Gates and Jake Long. That would have been merit for saying this isnt FF and Madden. But go ahead and think its the same thing.

Or at least I do. Should have said it in the first place.

I'm not the one whose starting a pissing match here brother. Based on your smart ass responses that would be you and I'm not the guy you want to do that with. I'll be glad to debate you over it anytime, I enjoy that, but don't start getting all whiny about the fact that I may bring up factors that may make it more difficult in reality than it seems on paper.After lurking for a couple days and seeing how you debate with people, it does sound like you start pissing matches. I gave you a logical response to your again, ridiculous statement about how we shouldnt trade for him because we dont throw to TEs(and IDK if i said this before but would you have made that same arguement if the Bears traded for Jimmy Graham?) and you went off about FF, Madden, the MLB, stuff thats an insult to my intelligence. So instead of responding to the points i gave, you went off about cap implications and how 600k would affect a player whos getting something like 10M and not even playing well.

You made a post I brought up other potential problems with it that weren't being considered. That's the way it works sometimes. You can respond to them if you like or you can not respond but don't give me this "its exhausting" bullshit. Nobody forced you to address it. That was your decision and if you don't like my responses or the questions I intrigue then don't write back. I won't miss it I promise.Again, these points should have been your original ones. Would have looked much better.

If you understand all of the ramifications then fine but not everyone who posts here does and there are those who do benefit when they're discussed. You're new to the site but that's part of the way we do things around here and if that's not your cup of tea then it's not. I'm not gonna change my approach to posting just to benefit you. Well idk how things work around here so forgive me if you thought i was going to sit here and let you insult me. I'll keep repeating, if this is the way you do things, why wasnt it your original response? The new guy made good points that went against your poor line of thought. It must give you the red ass.

You got a shitty attitude for a newbie Anytime. Starting out life around here with a chip on your shoulder because you didn't care for the way I responded isn't a great way to get into the mix. Especially with smart ass comments like this. Being new shouldnt have anything to do with it. Yeah im new to this site but ive posted with some of your regulars around here. What a way to welcome the new guy by insulting his intelligence and reaching for irrelevant points because your original one sucked.

Can i mention that or are you going to ask me about the cap ramifications to that and who we will replace him with? Do i have to say what his jersey# will likely be as well?

If you want to debate with me over this trade thing with all that goes along with it then do it but when you pull this stuff out that has no business in the debate to begin with then you destroy any credibility you have. So just stick with the facts and leave the insults and sarcastic comments for whatever other sites you post on. That shit doesn't work around here and I'm not one of those guys you think you might intimidate with it. My bite is worse than my bark.

You lost all credibility when you finally started to mention these things after the fact that your original points were garbage. That is my main point on this whole thing. If these details meant so much to you, it would have been your MO. But you got butt hurt that the new guy made logical points to a poorly thought out post of yours and got high fives from your peers. You also lost credibility saying the season is almost over. Funny because the trade deadline just passed today. Either im going insane and its week 12 or you have no clue what youre talking.

But hey, what does the new guy know? He must think this is FF because thinking a team with no legit pass catching TEs can trade for one whos contract isnt even a million dollars, is the same thing as putting together a 16 person roster filled with the best talent in the nfl. What a newbie moron. SMH, i must be playing too much madden.

I'll just end this discussion with that. Deadline is over. We still have garbage TEs. Youre clearly the big man on campus over here. I'll try to stay out of your way sir.