Thread: what we learned

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Amen to that...God love him, but Jay is a complete dumb ass at times...a tough SOB dumb ass, but a dumb ass as none the less...that pointless, needless hit he took from Ayers earlier in the game about caused me to stroke out...zero reason to take the hit...I was so pissed...thank goodness he got up undamaged...

Didn't see this game, but I agree. He's had a really tough time just throwing the ball away and it often costs us a sack with loss of yards instead of simply a loss of down. Wish he had a limit to looks before he was required to throw it away. Sometimes preventing a loss is actually a successful play.

Originally Posted by trackguy

Here's something most of us already learned but hopefully Hester will remember this time....when he breaks upfield (even if he doesn't have a huge lane), he is so fast that he still runs by people. When he tries to dance around and goes sideways, bad things happen.

Yeah, he definitely does much better when he is heading upfield at full speed instead of trying to make too many cuts.

I'd be willing to bet that if you went back through all of his returns that he has very few big cutbacks or direction reversals for major gain, and most of all of them are due to full speed, hitting a lane, with very few (1) cuts.

Originally Posted by trackguy

Why on God's green Earth did Tice have an empty backfield on first down at the 12 (when Cutler got sacked and fumbled)? At the VERY least run a play action if you're going to pass. They were running it down their throats that drive. Why let their pass rushers get in their track stances and give them a chance to do EXACTLY what happened?

I'm not sure I'd say "Really well called game, no real complaints" when that was such an inexcusable call that led to a big play. It was pretty Martz-esque.

That's a really good question and I can't answer it nor did I even see it since I didn't see the game but I'll make you guys a deal.

If you'll buy the gun, the bullets, and pay for my attorney I'll be happy to shoot Tice for all of us next time he does it.


PS: And in addition what I learned from reading this is that the offense still sucks and if eventually it costs us a big playoff win or even the playoffs themselves Mike Tice will not be the OC in 2013, Jeremy Bates will. Personally I think Tice is in way over his head as a play caller and needs to give it up.......NOW!

This one goes out to you, MidwayMonsters.

I think in an earlier thread, you stated that you wished that Mike Martz was back as offensive coordinator of the Bears. Well, I think you should know that with the exception of the fact that Tice likes to use bigger receivers to do his dirty work, you have Mike Martz v2.0 in the form of Mike Tice. I don't think you really believed that Martz was that good of a coordinator on the Bears' staff, but rather he was better than what we have right now.

Tice does so many of the same things that Martz did. I seem to recall reading an article that someone like soulman posted that said Tice made the comment that he wasn't going to totally throw out every play that Martz ever ran. It appears that this revelation is too true, more than I'd like for it to be. He has totally departed from the strategies that made his teams in Minnesota even a little bit palpable. I think that every year he coached the Vikings, they were in the top five in rushing, and in the case of one season, which I can't remember which, his team led the NFL in that catagory. He believed in using H-backs like Jimmy Kleinsasser to get yards over the middle; he was one of the first coaches to do that before now that it's popular. He already does today's version of the "Randy Ratio" with Brandon Marshall and, when healthy, Alshon Jeffery.

Buddy, the point I want to make is that I think that Lovie Smith is so inept in making his choices for offensive coordinators that he continues to have one bad one after another. First it was Ron Turner. Then it was Martz. Now, it's Mike Tice. I think the heir apparent to Tice's role is already on the staff in Jeremy Bates, but will Lovie Smith ever have the guts to cut loose Tice? One can only wonder.

Cutler said he was not happy with the O in the 1st half? Fine, I wasn't too. Good that a game isn't won or lost in 30 minutes and that there is a 2nd half that counts too