what we learned

MM... one thing is for sure. Running Martz out of town was needed and should have happened before.

The problem you have to argue about is not that Martz is gone, it's that Tice is the guy who replaced him.

I wanted/still want Schottenheimer. Dude took the heat for Sanchez not winning the AFCC, but Sanchez has regressed without him, and Bradford has gotten better with him....

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Originally Posted by GermansbombedPH

MM... one thing is for sure. Running Martz out of town was needed and should have happened before.

The problem you have to argue about is not that Martz is gone, it's that Tice is the guy who replaced him.

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Germans, lets not start this again. We both know what each other think, I have my reasons, you have your.... Conjecture.

Tice has been here for 1/4th of the time Martz was and he is worse than Martz ever was. How can you say we should have run him out earlier? He was only here for 2 years. He was mainly let go for advocating poor personnel decisions (Roy Williams, Sam Hurd , barber, Todd Collins, etc.). Tice will be let go for being completely inept.

When I first spoke up about Martz a lot of people wanted to shoot my face off and now it's getting harder and harder to disagree with what I'm trying to say. I think at this point anyone who still disagrees like you do is just so entrenched in their own position that they won't listen to any kind of reason, which I believe is the case.

no, the point is not this discussion again. The Point is that Martz sucks and Tice is on the way to be in that same categorie as Martz is.

Read: Both shouldn't be the OC for the Bears.


Martz is gone and this was needed. That Tice replaced him is a different story and a different problem. Compare them is good and fine... but having one or the other isn't

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Originally Posted by GermansbombedPH

no, the point is not this discussion again. The Point is that Martz sucks and Tice is on the way to be in that same categorie as Martz is.

Read: Both shouldn't be the OC for the Bears.


Martz is gone and this was needed. That Tice replaced him is a different story and a different problem. Compare them is good and fine... but having one or the other isn't

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You are a poo poo dung-head

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Originally Posted by XxMidwayMonstersxX

Like i said in "what we learned" here comes the slower fans talking about the box score. Guess what, the box score is lying to you.

1st scoring drive: 1 play, 8 yards, 8 yard TD run Matt Forte.
2nd scoring drive: 3 plays, 16 yards, 13 yard TD pass to Brandon Marshall
3rd scoring drive: 5 plays, 65 yards, 39 yard TD pass to Brandon Marshall (woweee Mom look I did it all by myself)
4th scoring drive: 3 plays 2 yards, 5 yard TD pass to Brandon Marshall

So the offense scored 21 points in 7 plays going only 26 yards.

It is absolutely idiotic to think that our offense deserves any credit at all for those scores. Just because the offense took it into the end zone you think they played well when in reality only the opposite can be true, IF THEY DIDN'T SCORE IN THOSE SITUATIONS IT WOULD BE HUMILIATING. My god we are talking about the second worst defense in the NFL here, if we can't move the ball on them then what hope do we have. Cutler still getting dropped like a sack of bricks, fumbling the ball, and there are drive-killing penalties. No, the offenses performance was unacceptable.

The reality is that between Urlacher's score and Wooten's score plus the 21 points scored on easy setups by the defense/ST, the defense/ST is responsible for 35 of the points scored. You can credit the offense for generating 16 points against the second worst defense in the NFL.

Lord help you if you think we can stop worrying about how bad the offense is.

You are correct about one thing though, other teams aren't better!

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Xx you could win a million dollar lottery and still complain it wasn't 1.1 million( ok theres a few out there that fit that bill).