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Originally Posted by
The Benjamin 
We do, but Marshall gets targeted a lot more than the others.
Marshall 59
Forte 20
Bennett 16
Jeffries 14
Hester 13
Davis 10
Our top 7
Marshall 59 has 10 less the other six combined. It is easy to see why Marshall is going to be double teamed. Cutler throws to him even when he is.
Marshall likely will still have a few catches and a TD, but Cutty will throw at least one pick because of it. Tice will call plays for other WR, Cutty will audible into a play for Marshall. Tice will get blamed for a bad play call.
This game, we will need to rely on the run and dink and dunk passes. Take Marshall out of the game plan, at least as the main target.
Yes, he throws to Marshall a lot. He does so because he is a reliable receiver. He doesn't get blown up by DBs and cut off his route. He doesn't run wrong routes. He fights for balls. Davis SHOULD be a target, but he did it to himself because he has dropped three huge passes thusfar. Spaeth has a couple of big drops. Hester has three drops, at least one of which was big.
Marshall has three drops in 90 targets. Hester has three in 23 targets. Davis has three in 21. When he goes to Davis or Hester on third-and-long and they drop a catchable pass, he probably isn't going to trust them for a while afterwards. He will get more as the season goes on. So really, Jay only has Marshall and Bennett who he can trust. Unless you think he should just keep shooting until the shots fall, keep passing to Davis until he starts catching them, I am not overly conerned about him throwing to Marshall too much.
We also need to consider that health has played a part in skewing those numbers. Forte has missed basically two games. Jeffrey has three thusfar. Bennett missed two games. Hester has been banged up. So Marshall and Davis are the only two who have been there and healthy for each game. If Bennett, Forte and Jeffrey hadn't missed time, they would have more balls thrown to them. There have certainly been times when Jay forced something to Marshall, but many times, he is throwing to Marshall because he is the only one on the field he can trust. I think Jay should throw more to the other receivers, but it also falls on them to catch the ball when it comes their way.
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If the Texans use a safety to cheat/help on Marshall a lot, I expect other players to step up... primarily Forte, Davis and Hester/Bennett. Those guys should be in a position to be successful, let's hope Tice and Cutler can take advantage. Although, the OL will have to get it done first. If they can't give Cutler time for the other receivers to attack the deep end of the field, it's all a moot point anyways.
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We don't have to go deep ala Rex Grossman to beat the Texans. That's crazy.
Play smart football, taking what we can get. This oline will not magically become great for Sunday night. Cutler will NOT have a lot of time to get the ball out. That's reality. Combine quick, high-percentage passes with running the ball. There is nothing wrong with just "moving the chains" in bite sized gains. In fact, IMHO, punting is better than Cutler holding onto the ball and fumbling to the Texans like he has been doing in games.
We can win this game if our own offense doesn't beat us. Cutler doesn't have to try and be Payton Manning. Just play smart football. Play within our capabilities.
Forgive me. I'm still hot about the Panther's int, where we're finally moving the ball well downfield, and Cutler cranks off a 60 yard pass into the wind - into TRIPLE coverage for a drive-killing int. We (barely) beat the Panthers. These kind of stupid plays will get us beat by the Texans.
Play smart football. Play within our capabilities. Yes, this includes play calling that accounts for a bad oline. This is reality if we are to win.
Last edited by JustAnotherBearsFan99; 11-09-2012 at 11:53 AM.
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Originally Posted by
The Benjamin Marshall has 50 some catches on the season, leading the team.
Second place is Matt Forte with 20 something.
SPREAD THE DAMN BALL AROUND CUTLER! MARSHALL IS NOT THE ONLY DAMN RECEIVER ON THE TEAM!
Without AJ, Marshall is the only WR constantly beating coverage. Bennett hasn't been getting open and our other receivers just can't catch (hester and the tight ends)
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Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99 It will be interesting. The receivers have dropped a lot of key passes. So have our TE's. We get hurt having to max protect Cutler so much too. If we turn 1-dimensional and just try to run Forte, we are screwed. You have to mix it up.
If we had an oline, we could do so much more. Without one, and facing solid teams now, we're in a tough spot. The Texans protect the ball pretty well, so don't expect scoring from the defense.
I disagree. I think riding Forte and Bush would be our best bet if we want to win this game. Our offensive line can blow defenses up in the running game. That's about the only thing they are good at.
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Originally Posted by
jackiejokeman We have other WR's ... TE's ... and a few RB's.
Our other receivers are garbage besides AJ. Hester can't catch a cold and Bennett can't get open. Our tight ends are the worst in the NFL. Now the running backs are a different story. Forte is a Faulk type player in the passing game. We need to get him more involved.
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Originally Posted by
Boochee Man Without AJ, Marshall is the only WR constantly beating coverage. Bennett hasn't been getting open and our other receivers just can't catch (hester and the tight ends)
EDITED: The link was wrong.
To be honest, B.Marsh has dropped a lot of passes his entire career. He currently is #10 in the NFL for dropped pass rate (LINK). That doesn't mean he's a bad receiver. He's a great WR. But if we are to reach our potential as an offense this year, we do have to get others involved in the game. Any time you become 1-dimensional in the NFL you end up getting beat by the good teams.
We don't want to become a one-trick pony on offense, no matter how good our pony is.
Drop Rate – The Bad
Now let’s get to the important number. Players like Marshall and Welker may have more drops than anyone else, but Welker doesn’t figure in the Bottom 15 of the 61 players who had at least 125 catchable balls thrown their way over the past three years, and Marshall was just in the Bottom 10. Instead, the worst offender was Roy Williams who has dropped 14.62% of catchable balls over three years. That was narrowly worse than James Jones of the Packers, with the Buccaneers’ Mike Williams bringing in the third highest mark at 13.42%. 49ers fans (and Alex Smith) may want to look away when he sees the drop percentage of some of his receivers (new and old) as Crabtree, Mario Manningam and Randy Moss all rated poorly.
| Rank | Player | Current Team | Drops | Catchable | Drop Rate |
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| 1 | Roy E. Williams | FA | 19 | 130 | 14.62% |
| 2 | James Jones | GB | 20 | 139 | 14.39% |
| 3 | Mike A. Williams | TB | 20 | 149 | 13.42% |
| 4 | DeSean Jackson | PHI | 25 | 193 | 12.95% |
| 5 | Brandon Gibson | SL | 18 | 141 | 12.77% |
| 6 | Terrell Owens | FA | 18 | 145 | 12.41% |
| 7 | Donald Driver | GB | 22 | 179 | 12.29% |
| 8 | Randy Moss | SF | 15 | 126 | 11.90% |
| 9 | Dwayne Bowe | KC | 26 | 225 | 11.56% |
| 10 | Brandon Marshall | CHI | 35 | 303 | 11.55% |
| 11 | Michael Crabtree | SF | 22 | 195 | 11.28% |
| 12 | Mario Manningham | SF | 19 | 174 | 10.92% |
| 13 | Pierre Garcon | WAS | 22 | 206 | 10.68% |
| 14 | Santana Moss | WAS | 24 | 233 | 10.30% |
| 15 | Devin Hester | CHI | 14 | 136 | 10.29%
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Last edited by JustAnotherBearsFan99; 11-09-2012 at 01:09 PM.
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Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99 To be honest, B.Marsh has dropped a lot of passes his entire career. He currently is #15 in the NFL for dropped pass rate (
LINK). That doesn't mean he's a bad receiver. He's a great WR. But if we are to reach our potential as an offense this year, we do have to get others involved in the game. Any time you become 1-dimensional in the NFL you end up getting beat by the good teams.
We don't want to become a one-trick pony on offense, no matter how good our pony is.
Wrong link? That link doesn't say anything about dropped passes. It specifically says it doesn't account for them. And it looks like it's saying Marshall is the 15th most effective receiver, which is horribly underrating him, anyway.
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Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99 We don't have to go deep ala Rex Grossman to beat the Texans. That's crazy.
Play smart football, taking what we can get. This oline will not magically become great for Sunday night. Cutler will NOT have a lot of time to get the ball out. That's reality. Combine quick, high-percentage passes with running the ball. There is nothing wrong with just "moving the chains" in bite sized gains. In fact, IMHO, punting is better than Cutler holding onto the ball and fumbling to the Texans like he has been doing in games.
We can win this game if our own offense doesn't beat us. Cutler doesn't have to try and be Payton Manning. Just play smart football. Play within our capabilities.
Forgive me. I'm still hot about the Panther's int, where we're finally moving the ball well downfield, and Cutler cranks off a 60 yard pass into the wind - into TRIPLE coverage for a drive-killing int. We (barely) beat the Panthers. These kind of stupid plays will get us beat by the Texans.
Play smart football. Play within our capabilities. Yes, this includes play calling that accounts for a bad oline. This is reality if we are to win.
I wasn't trying to imply going for only bombs, I was more so referring to longer developing routes that take advantage of a Safety cheating/helping... such as posts, seams, deep outs, etc... if the OL can't give the receivers time to get open on these routes, the Texan's defense can use a Safety to help contain Marshall and still play the run somewhat effectively. If the OL gives Cutler enough time for those intermediate to deep routes to develop, it'll help open up the run game and ultimately Marshall (or the other receivers will just continue to make plays).
I would use the run to set up play-action for these intermediate/deep throws, in order to exploit the out of position Safety. If you hit a couple of those, the defense will be forced to adjust, opening up the run game for some bigger gains. This should then force the defense to adjust once again, giving you 1v1 coverage on Marshall.
In football strategy, it's all about using adjustments to create mismatches. Once those mismatches are created, it's on the players to execute. 1v1 coverage vs the Bear's less talent receivers is the mismatch that the Texans will be giving to start this game (assuming that they in-fact double Marshall), the Texans like those odds because there's a significant drop-off between Marshall and the rest of the receiver corps. The Bears have to exploit this and force the Texans to adjust. I feel this way because, while Forte is a very good RB, I don't see him carrying the offense against the Texan's defense... he will be integral to the offense's success, but it will take the Bears forcing the Texan's defense to adjust first.
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doesnt every team double marshal?
this is where play calling will be important use those damn te and lots of screen plays
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