Dobbins Fined $30k For Hit on Cutler................

Maybe I am wrong. I thought I heard (can't think of his name, the retired official guy that now works for fox or whatever and explains calls and reviews) mention one time that a runner does not have the helmet to helmet rule and that it only applies to receivers and QB's, but everything I am reading is stating that it doesn't matter if he was a runner or not. So I am confused.

Either way, I don't think it was an intentionally dirty hit. He just stuck it to Cutler like any defensive player would. He deserves the fine, and the penalty, and he should just shut up before he makes things a lot worse than they already are. He's not helping his cause any.

dobbins like any player who cheap shots another should be suspended for a game //second offense one year and so on

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Originally Posted by MPBears68

Without the color line it was too close to overturn. Shit, even with the colored line you could barely tell he was behind the line.

As fat as offsetting penalties that has always been the case. A simple holding call negating a big pass interference play happens all the time. I am sure the Bears have benefitted on these instances as well. Off setting penalties will not change. Flags cancel each other out.

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The rule is that the players entire body has to be beyond the los to be an illegal pass. His back foot wasn't beyond by any means. I can see it being blown on the field in real time but it should have been reversed on replay, that's all.

And this is a different specific situation that a holding call negating a big bomb. The holding almost always occurs before the throw and you can easily argue that the pass would never have been made successful if the rusher hasn't been fouled. In this case it was a PF no matter what (if JC passes, runs, blocks, or just stands three).

The refs didn't make the Bears lose. No excuses. They definitely were outplayed thanks to some key miscues on offense. But the officiating was pretty piss poor Sunday night and the "close calls" definitely hurt us and helped Houston.

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Originally Posted by gramster10

dobbins like any player who cheap shots another should be suspended for a game //second offense one year and so on

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I couldn't disagree more...the difference between a nice clean hit and a cheap shot is literately a 1/10 of second at full speed...I am not defending the guy...it was a penalty, it was finable, maybe even somewhat "cheap"...it was also football...

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

I couldn't disagree more...the difference between a nice clean hit and a cheap shot is literately a 1/10 of second at full speed...I am not defending the guy...it was a penalty, it was finable, maybe even somewhat "cheap"...it was also football...

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Having played the game myself, I couldn't agree more with this... especially playing defense. It is almost impossible to stop the type of hit that Dobbins put on Cutler. I think the penalty was called for, and the fine is also ok. I don't, however, think it was done with intent, or maliciously, or needs a suspension.

If this had been peppers laying a hit on an opposing QB and giving him a concussion it would have been a completely different story for most.... making excuses, saying it was accidental, part of the game, etc.

Hits like this will happen. While the results really suck for us, I don't want to take away the physical aspect of the game.

How much praise did Melton (was it melton?) get for ending Bret Favre's career?

I don't know. I think that a player should always hit with the intent to punish a player. Not to cause permant injury or anything like that, but to hurt him in the sense of diminishing his ability to play or even take him out for the game.

I have no issue with his hitting Cutler with the intent to take him out. He didn't seem like he was trying to permanently injure him. The one thing I do have a problem with is that it has to be a clean hit. Suh's hit was even more vicious but it was clean. Dobbins hit Cutler IMO after the ball was thrown and he should have held up. He got fined and Suh did not, so someone also thought that the Dobbins hit wasn't perfectly clean. Nothing was done with Suh who is a known dirty player, so his hit was in fact clean.

I am convinced that he was trying to take Cutler out and he did. But he didn't do it within the rules.

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Originally Posted by blinddeafmute

Having played the game myself, I couldn't agree more with this... especially playing defense. It is almost impossible to stop the type of hit that Dobbins put on Cutler. I think the penalty was called for, and the fine is also ok. I don't, however, think it was done with intent, or maliciously, or needs a suspension.

If this had been peppers laying a hit on an opposing QB and giving him a concussion it would have been a completely different story for most.... making excuses, saying it was accidental, part of the game, etc.

Hits like this will happen. While the results really suck for us, I don't want to take away the physical aspect of the game.

How much praise did Melton (was it melton?) get for ending Bret Favre's career?

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Look at the Conte hit a few weeks ago. Bear fans say the runner ran ino him, that the flag was uncalled for..... Almost the same type of play and penalty.

I agree with you to a point, Dobbins might not have ment for it to be a cheap shot, it's what he said and done after that, is my problem. Just be a man and don't may up things to make himself look better.

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

I couldn't disagree more...the difference between a nice clean hit and a cheap shot is literately a 1/10 of second at full speed...I am not defending the guy...it was a penalty, it was finable, maybe even somewhat "cheap"...it was also football...

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Originally Posted by jackiejokeman

The ball was clearly out of his hands ... he shouldnt have hit him at all.

Now he's $30'000 lighter in the wallet.

Go back and look at it, JCUT tossed the ball ,he had his throwing arm halfway up,he wasnt trying to protect himself,he never expected to get hit.

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The problem is it takes a split second to get rid of the ball while you are crossing or getting near the line of scrimmage before Jay got hit. There is almost no way of avoiding Jay and he did not hit him full speed. Had he hit Jay at full speed, Jay would have hit the ground like a bag or rocks being dropped out of a window. Here is the kicker of the Jay Cutler hit, he did not attempt to slide down to avoid getting hit like qbs are instructed to do. Jay put himself in a position to get hit and he did. I have seen a lot of late hits on players this year and I can say it was not cheap. I can say I have seen Chris Conte get a way with a few late hits and one I remember where someone caught a td pass in the endzone and Chris hit him late getting away without getting penalized for a late hit.

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Originally Posted by bearsinhouston

I don't know. I think that a player should always hit with the intent to punish a player. Not to cause permant injury or anything like that, but to hurt him in the sense of diminishing his ability to play or even take him out for the game.

I have no issue with his hitting Cutler with the intent to take him out. He didn't seem like he was trying to permanently injure him. The one thing I do have a problem with is that it has to be a clean hit. Suh's hit was even more vicious but it was clean. Dobbins hit Cutler IMO after the ball was thrown and he should have held up. He got fined and Suh did not, so someone also thought that the Dobbins hit wasn't perfectly clean. Nothing was done with Suh who is a known dirty player, so his hit was in fact clean.

I am convinced that he was trying to take Cutler out and he did. But he didn't do it within the rules.

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Play the game like it is your last game is how I feel. I think of all the time Walter Payton would cream a blitzing LB or run over a DB while trying to get that extra yard.